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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor Send a noteboard - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM
Quite aside from representing a power more than matching the White Tower, these guys shold relatively easily be able to infiltrate the good guys.


No chance of that. The time of infiltration is pretty much over. Between the Red Veils and Tarna, it's very obvious people who have been turned are very easy to identify. They have glassy inhuman eyes, and aren't themselves anymore. For the AS, the ones who have not been turned are BA - already exposed by Verin. "Turnings" aren't about fooling people with sleeper agents, it's about recruiting "soldiers" against their wil and depriving the enemy of them.

The Asha'man from Taim's faction who have not been turned but are DF are known by the other Asha'man to belong to Taim's faction - not a chance they can infiltrate the other side.


Ah, but in Chapter 2, the young man whose name escapes me said he couldn't tell if the Aes Sedai had been turned, because he didn't know her.

Though you might be right that the time for infiltration is over. Still, a surprise attack at the field of Merrilor by a few hundred evil Asha'man would certainly be an inconvenience.

But I agree with you this storyline seems to be heading, and very soon, for a "and so Taim's plans succeeded" resolution.


It seems like it. What bothers me is that if Taim has actually succeeded in turning most of the Black Tower, that alone seems like it could turn the tables in the last battle. Do we have any updated numbers on the number of people in the various factions? I can't remember if it was reported that the Black Tower had outgrown the White, or if it was just said that it would eventually do so. Though, of course, the White Tower has recently doubled in size, if you count all the novices, and some of those could probably pitch in in an emergency.

I get the impression that Androl's group is pretty small, and then there is the 50 or so men who left with Logain, with several hundred left inside. Or are there others currently outside the Tower?
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3233 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 941 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1136 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1440 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1608 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1089 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1371 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1725 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1381 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1462 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1420 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1434 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1397 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1287 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1453 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 849 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1511 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1256 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1621 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1208 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1351 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1317 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1332 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1409 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1358 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1438 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1350 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1318 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1238 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1290 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1279 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1203 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1335 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1298 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1515 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1387 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1385 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1595 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1139 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1242 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1385 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1160 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1167 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 1263 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1157 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1359 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1133 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1262 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1336 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1347 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1129 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1374 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1106 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1146 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1099 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1389 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1256 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1152 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1392 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1211 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1232 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1203 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1664 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1235 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1319 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1183 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1188 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1186 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1293 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1134 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1173 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1167 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1315 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1342 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1160 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1131 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1130 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1130 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1387 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1122 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1184 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1186 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1383 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1094 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1213 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1165 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1186 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1299 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1142 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1167 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1141 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1089 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1160 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1815 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1248 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1273 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1161 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1358 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1186 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 1214 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 1260 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1330 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1200 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1146 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1327 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1282 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1164 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1261 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1185 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1205 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1140 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1163 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1168 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 1300 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1307 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1357 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 839 Views
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