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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor Send a noteboard - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM
Quite aside from representing a power more than matching the White Tower, these guys shold relatively easily be able to infiltrate the good guys.


No chance of that. The time of infiltration is pretty much over. Between the Red Veils and Tarna, it's very obvious people who have been turned are very easy to identify. They have glassy inhuman eyes, and aren't themselves anymore. For the AS, the ones who have not been turned are BA - already exposed by Verin. "Turnings" aren't about fooling people with sleeper agents, it's about recruiting "soldiers" against their wil and depriving the enemy of them.

The Asha'man from Taim's faction who have not been turned but are DF are known by the other Asha'man to belong to Taim's faction - not a chance they can infiltrate the other side.


Ah, but in Chapter 2, the young man whose name escapes me said he couldn't tell if the Aes Sedai had been turned, because he didn't know her.

Though you might be right that the time for infiltration is over. Still, a surprise attack at the field of Merrilor by a few hundred evil Asha'man would certainly be an inconvenience.

But I agree with you this storyline seems to be heading, and very soon, for a "and so Taim's plans succeeded" resolution.


It seems like it. What bothers me is that if Taim has actually succeeded in turning most of the Black Tower, that alone seems like it could turn the tables in the last battle. Do we have any updated numbers on the number of people in the various factions? I can't remember if it was reported that the Black Tower had outgrown the White, or if it was just said that it would eventually do so. Though, of course, the White Tower has recently doubled in size, if you count all the novices, and some of those could probably pitch in in an emergency.

I get the impression that Androl's group is pretty small, and then there is the 50 or so men who left with Logain, with several hundred left inside. Or are there others currently outside the Tower?
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3282 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 966 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1170 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1464 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1666 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1110 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1408 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1767 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1411 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1496 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1438 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1451 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1426 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1317 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1483 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 879 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1536 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1296 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1659 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1226 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1387 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1349 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1361 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1459 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1386 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1478 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1384 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1366 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1269 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1317 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1302 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1229 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1365 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1328 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1572 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1418 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1449 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1647 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1159 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1270 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1438 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1184 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1198 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 1288 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1188 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1390 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1160 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1293 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1363 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1387 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1161 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1413 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1134 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1172 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1124 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1422 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1286 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1177 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1440 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1241 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1260 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1229 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1708 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1267 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1348 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1215 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1215 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1216 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1337 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1161 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1193 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1196 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1357 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1385 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1187 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1157 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1160 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1156 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1429 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1150 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1201 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1210 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1429 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1121 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1237 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1189 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1217 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1325 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1170 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1199 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1168 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1118 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1182 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1856 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1304 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1320 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1183 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1399 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1213 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 1254 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 1302 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1372 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1223 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1177 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1372 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1318 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1191 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1288 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1213 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1231 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1160 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1190 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1185 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 1342 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1328 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1411 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 864 Views
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