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My thoughts Sidious Send a noteboard - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM
Have there been any established strengths for Logain, Narishma, and Flinn? I'm on Knife of Dreams in my re-read, and it just hit me that Narishma is described here as weaker than Merise, which surprised me...though he's not reached his potential, yet. Similarly, I'd be interested to see where Taim ranks, as well. I always thought of Logain and him as being about the same level, but is there any credence to that assumption?

(If I had to make guesses based on my current feelings, I'd rank them as such:

Narishma: 20?
Flinn: 40
Logain/Taim: 80

Does that make any sense at all?)

Theorize/correct away.


We don't know much about Narishma and Flinn. Rand sometimes says how they are becoming more powerful but he says once that no Ash'aman is close in power to him (though they are both probably not at full strength). Flinn is stronger than Gedwyn and Rochaid, both of whom think that together they could fight as strongly as Rand.

He says later that Logain and Taim are close to as strong as him, so they're both at least on 90 or higher.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1754 Views
My thoughts Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1165 Views
90 is REALLY high DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1126 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1078 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. DREWRULESWOT! - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1022 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 989 Views
No I don't think so Sidious - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 886 Views
I'd say more than 80 darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 851 Views
81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 778 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 865 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 884 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 856 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 677 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels Onarishma - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 920 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 868 Views
I disagree. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 795 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 818 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 812 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 884 Views
Just to be a bitch Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 746 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 923 Views
*NM* Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 739 Views
He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 932 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 819 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 503 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 420 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 846 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 850 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 534 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 463 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 557 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 751 Views
Re: *shrug* Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 841 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 886 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 794 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 777 Views
Onarishma - 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 1044 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 992 Views
Perhaps darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 828 Views
Re: Perhaps fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 881 Views
Like I said ... Could be darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 874 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 788 Views
Re: I disagree... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 741 Views
I disagree again! fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 828 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 858 Views
Re: Probably fionwe1987 - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 853 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 780 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 789 Views
Re: Not really darius_sedai - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 874 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 853 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 777 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 743 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 811 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 820 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 808 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 850 Views
I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 954 Views
Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM 783 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 540 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: Dunstan - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 826 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 805 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 762 Views
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