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81 then Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM
Be'lal was clearly weary of his strength in TDR even before Callandor.

We have no indication that Be'lal was ever weary of Rand.

and the Forsaken discuss him "being as strong as anyone" early in the series ...

Lanfear says that to mess with their minds, and to bait Sammael and Rahvin. We know that he eventually becomes as strong as any channeler, but we know for a fact that Rahvin equalled Rand in strength at the end of FoH, and yet stronger men existed.

the Forsaken would not have been all that concerned about him because of his lack of training if he wasn't already at least as strong as most of them.

They've never really been scared of him, which is why they're dead. Rand sometimes mentions how strong he is compared to them - those are the quotes I used. RJ said you can't trust Forsaken PoV's.

Asmodean is most likely the weakest of the males, but he's not that far off of them despite being a total wuss of a person :)

Yes but that's your theory, Darius, it's not fact. Asmodean could be 20% weaker than Ishamael of 3% weaker. We just don't know. I personally think he's between 80 and 90.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1828 Views
My thoughts Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1258 Views
90 is REALLY high DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1214 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1194 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. DREWRULESWOT! - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1105 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 1099 Views
No I don't think so Sidious - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 986 Views
I'd say more than 80 darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 946 Views
81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 872 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 933 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 967 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 950 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 776 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels Onarishma - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 1004 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 995 Views
I disagree. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 882 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 937 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 896 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 991 Views
Just to be a bitch Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 841 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 985 Views
*NM* Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 817 Views
He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 1018 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 898 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 541 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 456 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 941 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 917 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 567 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 502 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 591 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 825 Views
Re: *shrug* Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 936 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 963 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 859 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 845 Views
Onarishma - 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 1150 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1079 Views
Perhaps darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 899 Views
Re: Perhaps fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 958 Views
Like I said ... Could be darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 943 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 882 Views
Re: I disagree... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 825 Views
I disagree again! fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 901 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 930 Views
Re: Probably fionwe1987 - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 941 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 864 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 878 Views
Re: Not really darius_sedai - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 961 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 936 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 887 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 818 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 958 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 888 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 950 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 927 Views
I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 1036 Views
Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM 852 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 577 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: Dunstan - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 932 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 878 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 834 Views
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