there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM
Remember that 50% of all AS turned to the Dark but there were only about 30 or so at the same level as the 13 survivors ... at least from Moghedien's POV we learn only 29 individuals were ever given access to the TP ... and if she had not been one of them we would have heard her whine about the injustice of it all ... couple that with the fact that even Mesaana's deeds were written about and you have to figure these 13 were all at the very tip-top of the command chain for the Dark during the WOP.
I see 20% as a very large strength span especially with an even larger skill gap in there. To be honest, Graendal or Semirhage could have been weaker than Moghedien and still would have ended up ahead of her in the command chain because of their much greater skill levels. With a 20% strength disadvantage she would never have risen so high in the ranks no matter who she killed ... if she was that much weaker one of the others would have swatted her like a fly long before she became a threat. Back in the WOP they would have been able to openly move against each other because the DO had so many followers that he encouraged them to in fight "only the strongest serve the Great Lord" and all that.
The top 6 all had specific skills that made them stand out and when coupled with their very high strength they found themselves at the top, because there were so few that could stand against great skill AND great strength. IMO the other survivors were the next rung down from those 6 as they mostly had governance or military leadership roles during the WOP.
I see 20% as a very large strength span especially with an even larger skill gap in there. To be honest, Graendal or Semirhage could have been weaker than Moghedien and still would have ended up ahead of her in the command chain because of their much greater skill levels. With a 20% strength disadvantage she would never have risen so high in the ranks no matter who she killed ... if she was that much weaker one of the others would have swatted her like a fly long before she became a threat. Back in the WOP they would have been able to openly move against each other because the DO had so many followers that he encouraged them to in fight "only the strongest serve the Great Lord" and all that.
The top 6 all had specific skills that made them stand out and when coupled with their very high strength they found themselves at the top, because there were so few that could stand against great skill AND great strength. IMO the other survivors were the next rung down from those 6 as they mostly had governance or military leadership roles during the WOP.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women.
04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM
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My thoughts
04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM
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90 is REALLY high
04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM
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Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation**
04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM
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Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right.
07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM
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He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye
07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM
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No I don't think so
07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM
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I'd say more than 80
07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM
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81 then
07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM
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and that's just YOUR theory Sidius
07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM
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Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius
07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM
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there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times
07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM
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Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels
07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM
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Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off
07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM
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I disagree.
07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM
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Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world
07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM
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Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world
07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM
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he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin
07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM
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Just to be a bitch
07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM
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He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal.
10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM
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Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different
11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM
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I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM*
11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM
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as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM*
11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM
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think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90.
07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM
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There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either
07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM
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the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM*
07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM
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that's what I just said *NM*
07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM
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that was not clear *NM*
07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM
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*shrug*
07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM
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Re: *shrug*
10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM
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If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps
11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM
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in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and
11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM
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whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done
11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM
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About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored:
08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM
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Perhaps
08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM
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Re: Perhaps
08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM
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Like I said ... Could be
08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM
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I disagree...
08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM
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Re: I disagree...
08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM
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I disagree again!
08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM
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Probably
08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM
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Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand
08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM
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And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed
08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM
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Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed
08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM
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Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig
08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM
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I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series...
08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM
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Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series...
08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM
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Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored:
11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM
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