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you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM
Asmodean is further proof that your theory on Forsaken skill is unconvincing. Much like Moghedien/Nynaeve, Rand overwhelmed Asmodean despite having the same strength and no training.


that is a joke to be clear!

Asmodean and Moghedien are clearly the least skilled of the Forsaken ... or perhaps just the laziest ... and RJ made some very bad choices in this part of the series ... IMO it's these two examples that are the primary reason the Forsaken as a whole seem so silly. Here we have people who are supposed to be the among the most skilled people of the Age and they don't even try to do anything interesting ... epic fail IMO. But in RJs defense, he needed to illustrate how strong Rand and Nynaeve are and he couldn't very well have them get their asses handed to them by a Forsaken!

I think the Cleansing scene with Cyndane/Alivia was an attempt to make up for that a bit.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 07/12/2012 at 10:37:11 PM
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1805 Views
My thoughts - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1228 Views
90 is REALLY high - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1178 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1156 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1072 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 1064 Views
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81 then - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 850 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 913 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 933 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 915 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 728 Views
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I disagree. - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 844 Views
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Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 863 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 958 Views
Just to be a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 820 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 966 Views
*NM* - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 788 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 904 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 900 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 557 Views
that's what I just said *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 488 Views
that was not clear *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 578 Views
*shrug* - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 805 Views
Re: *shrug* - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 914 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 942 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 841 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 825 Views
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About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1046 Views
Perhaps - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 877 Views
Re: Perhaps - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 936 Views
Like I said ... Could be - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 921 Views
I disagree... - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 861 Views
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I disagree again! - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 881 Views
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Re: Probably - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 904 Views
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Re: Not really - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 841 Views
Re: Not really - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 927 Views
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We're essentially saying the same thing now - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 851 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 792 Views
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Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 928 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 900 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 564 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 908 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 855 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 814 Views

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