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in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma Send a noteboard - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM
not sure how it can be more clear than this statement:

"Personally I think those circles needed to be significantly Stronger than an individual Forsaken for the Rand's people to have survived."


ummm... a circle is made up of people the "strength" of the circle is the combined strength of the people in the circle. I was saying that the combined strength of the circle does not have to equal Demandreds strength in order to have a stronger EFFECT than Demandred. Are we on the same page yet.

If Demandreds strength is 95 its sounded like you were saying the circle memebers combined strength had to add up to more than 95 in order to be effective against him. Im saying that the combined strength could be less than 95. They could have been at 65-70 but the effect of the circle would still be able to match or overwhelm a 95.


I specifically noted the circle's strength ... We have no way of knowing how much advantage a circle gives, the individuals could added up to 60 or 150 for all we really know. We can't even accurately guess at anyone in the circle's individual strength. All we know for fact is that Demandred believes the first few weaves Flinn hit him with were as powerful as what Demandred could generate. Those weaves could have been 100% as powerful as Flinns circle could create or 50% as powerful or anywhere else. we have no way of knowing and we know the Forsaken have a tendency to lie to themselves which means those weaves could have been stronger than Demandreds weaves.


the actual strength. potency versus quantity. If you meant potency thats all well and good but there are enough people here who don't believe in potency being different from quantity and so as I said you were not clear. Making thing bold would mean nothing to someone who believed that potency and quantity were equivalent in a circle.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1883 Views
My thoughts Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1296 Views
90 is REALLY high DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1261 Views
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Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. DREWRULESWOT! - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1146 Views
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I'd say more than 80 darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 990 Views
81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 902 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 978 Views
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there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 995 Views
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Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels Onarishma - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 1043 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 1045 Views
I disagree. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 940 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 990 Views
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you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 1031 Views
*NM* Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 866 Views
He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 1081 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 933 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 556 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 472 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 982 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 965 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 586 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 519 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 605 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 870 Views
Re: *shrug* Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 963 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 1007 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 920 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 886 Views
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About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1119 Views
Perhaps darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 937 Views
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Like I said ... Could be darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 974 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 934 Views
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I disagree again! fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 939 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 973 Views
Re: Probably fionwe1987 - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 986 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 907 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 923 Views
Re: Not really darius_sedai - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 1007 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 989 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 936 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 850 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 1003 Views
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Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 990 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 978 Views
I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 1109 Views
Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM 896 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 590 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: Dunstan - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 970 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 923 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 869 Views
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