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Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher Send a noteboard - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM
One other thing to remember when judging how strong Rand was at the Eye, we don't know that Aginor was 100% either. We know from Rand's & Asmodean's comments that the physical condition of the body affects how much you can channel. When Rand broke free from the AS he noted that he was in bad shape and worried about how strong he was channeling. Again Asmodean told Rand after his long range duel with Sammael in Cairhien that its dangerous to channell if the body is exhausted.

What has all this to do with the events at the Eye. By all accounts Aginor had just been released and he was not looking so good. We know from quotes in the series and RJ's Q&A that the two forsaken were sealed very close to the surface so they were aware of what was going on in the world but they were aged as well.

When Aginor went to the Eye he was probably not at full strenght himself. This did not worry him as his companion was in just as bad a shape as he was perhaps worse and he was going to face someone completly untrained. Rand was strong at the time, he was able to skim and his attack on the shadowspawn was impressive but he may not have been full forsaken strenght then and still be able to match Aginor who burned himself out because he drew what he was capable of holding on an ordinary day and never took into acount that his body had been worn down by 3,000 years.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1854 Views
My thoughts - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1276 Views
90 is REALLY high - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1242 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1219 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1126 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 1123 Views
No I don't think so - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 1011 Views
I'd say more than 80 - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 961 Views
81 then - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 891 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 958 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 983 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 971 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 799 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 1024 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 1017 Views
I disagree. - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 913 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 957 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 923 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 1018 Views
Just to be a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 859 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 1007 Views
*NM* - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 839 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 964 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 939 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 575 Views
that's what I just said *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 509 Views
that was not clear *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 597 Views
*shrug* - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 843 Views
Re: *shrug* - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 949 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 982 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 888 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 865 Views
- 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 1166 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1099 Views
Perhaps - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 912 Views
Re: Perhaps - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 974 Views
Like I said ... Could be - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 959 Views
I disagree... - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 898 Views
Re: I disagree... - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 842 Views
I disagree again! - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 919 Views
Probably - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 950 Views
Re: Probably - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 963 Views
Not really - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 889 Views
Re: Not really - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 903 Views
Re: Not really - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 987 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 960 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 911 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 833 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 980 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 906 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 965 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 948 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 584 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 948 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 899 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 848 Views

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