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Yes the Aes Sedai are all about "the glory of being Aes Sedai" kind of like religious cults darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 06/12/2015 07:47:34 PM

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I think it was meant as an illustration of how the WT, short of effectives, wastes the potential of women like Morgase, by showing that Sorilea was trained nonetheless and could teach channeling to pupils, even without using an angreal and in her days, even without linking. The WT is all the more unforgivable given the fact that they have angreal gathering dust rather than being used (and besides, a very weak woman like Morgase can link with her pupils to demonstrate weaves if necessary...). It was a flaw in the WT worldview, those "cut off" levels at which they rejected people that they could have found a use for.

They're really all about their Aes Sedai club, rather than channeling or anything else. Anyone who can't be in the club is out. Once they decide you can't become a sister, you're gone as soon as they've taught you enough that kicking you out isn't negligent homicide. They really and truly seem to think that being Aes Sedai is a bigger deal than channeling, what with the comment that they seem to think women banished from the Tower would let their ability atrophy, that they would not care about channeling if they couldn't do it in a shawl. Another example would be Else Grinwell, who was sent away at a time when the Amyrlin was aware that Tarmon Gaidon was coming really soon. It wasn't a strength issue, as Siuan implies, if not states outright, IIRC, that she could have made the shawl, but they decided on less than a year's acquaintance that she'd never ever overcome her interest in men. So a perfectly strong channeler is disposed of, because only Aes Sedai and the shawl are real to them. Egwene is affected by this too, with her rushing girls she herself does not believe are worthy through the ranks in preparation for Tarmon Gaidon (though she refuses to force them), in the interests of needing more sisters, as if Accepted and novices can't contribute without a shawl on their shoulders.


Who cares what the value of something outside of our beliefs are when we can just sit back and call it the falling of a higher power.

Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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