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But I'm talking about trends, I'm not making a rule.
But I'm talking about trends, I'm not making a rule.
To make a trend, you need a wide sample, with no bias. Our sample is based on Forsaken, who were the best channelers of the AoL, and the heroes who were born to fight them. Rather selective, to make any conclusions.
Aginor is an excellent example of a very powerful and unskilled channeler.
He may have been unskilled in combat, but he obviously could use the OP to achieve incredibly complex genetic alterations. There is zero evidence for him being unskilled.
A strong channeler obviously has to train and practice, but as I said, I believe they are better with the Power innately.
But RJ's notes contradict you!
Stronger channelers also have more Talents in general.
Based on? We come across their Talents more, because they are major characters. But we've seen plenty of weaker channelers with great, or even incredible Talents, and strong ones with no particular Talents at all.
There is a general kinship with saidin/saidar that increases with strength, especially at high levels. I've never seen a strong channeler struggle with a specific flow.
Huh? You've never seen Nynaeve struggle? She doesn't practice, so she is quite unskilled. RJ even said that while Elayne and Egwene would pass the Aes Sedai test with considerable ease, Nynaeve would have difficulty. Talaan easily defeats her. Cadsuane says she is quite abysmal outside of Healing. Sumeko even calls her Healing clumsy, though that is probably only true in comparison to Sumeko herself.
Once Nynaeve does start practicing, she improves. But not before. There's no default skill because she's so strong.
There are irritating people who can study two hours before an exam and get an A and others who can't. The Power could be like this.
Undoubtedly. But what makes you think this is weighed towards stronger channelers? We have direct evidence contradicting that.
Since when is Sorilea skilled?
Since Cadsuane made the observation?
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28/11/2015 10:01:57 PM
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I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength
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Re: I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength
01/12/2015 08:02:01 AM
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Well, it also states that there are gradations within each level too
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Well maybe
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Here's how I see it:
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I agree
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02/12/2015 05:14:50 PM
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03/12/2015 07:46:59 PM
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03/12/2015 09:29:52 PM
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Re: I didn't realize he was being literal in that comment
04/12/2015 08:41:51 PM
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I don't know about RJ's issues, but the White Tower's waste always seemed like a minor theme there
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Re: Well maybe
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03/12/2015 04:08:03 AM
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close enough to not debate about it
03/12/2015 03:47:55 PM
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Re: close enough to not debate about it
03/12/2015 04:14:38 PM
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I think you misunderstand what I'm saying
03/12/2015 04:43:29 PM
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Re: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying
03/12/2015 05:41:17 PM
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um, no
03/12/2015 09:24:31 PM
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You two seem like Egwene's interchangeable defenders to me; it's weird to see you fighting.
04/12/2015 09:21:23 PM
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Made a few adjustments to add some presumed minimum/maximum levels *NM*
30/11/2015 04:28:13 PM
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30/11/2015 07:26:29 PM
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Re: Some more
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Re: Some more
02/12/2015 08:24:49 AM
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I think the men are much too strong
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Yes
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Re: Yes
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03/12/2015 03:56:23 AM
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05/12/2015 11:19:40 AM
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I feel like there is an RJ quote about this actually
06/12/2015 06:41:35 PM
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Who should defer to whom?
01/12/2015 08:17:22 PM
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Interesting...
02/12/2015 08:44:32 AM
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I think there needs to be a pretty significant (5+ levels) difference
02/12/2015 06:25:35 PM
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05/12/2015 08:43:09 PM
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06/12/2015 12:28:46 AM
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07/12/2015 04:19:43 PM
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yet we also know that some things are inherently different for men and women
07/12/2015 08:15:26 PM
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it probably has to do with the fact that the characters in the books are also obsessed with strength
06/12/2015 07:58:20 PM
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Sort of.
06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM
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Clearly his strength rankings came in mid-series
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08/12/2015 08:39:14 PM
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Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels. *NM*
09/12/2015 02:42:51 AM
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Re: Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels.
09/12/2015 02:31:18 PM
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so....
09/12/2015 06:10:41 AM
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Nope...
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10/12/2015 05:50:17 PM
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plenty of weaker ones with notably strong Talents actually
10/12/2015 06:26:03 PM
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This is a flawed list
11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM
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and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible
11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM
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another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question)
11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM
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Not really
11/12/2015 09:09:41 PM
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You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement
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Re: You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement
12/12/2015 06:46:05 AM
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Let's face it a body builder ninja is sort of funny to think about
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Re: Some things to consider
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Re: Some things to consider
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Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid!
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Re: Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid!
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additional thought
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If you want to use the file you might want to grab it now before the site shuts down *NM*
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