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Re: Some things to consider fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/12/2015 04:46:29 PM

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But I'm talking about trends, I'm not making a rule.

To make a trend, you need a wide sample, with no bias. Our sample is based on Forsaken, who were the best channelers of the AoL, and the heroes who were born to fight them. Rather selective, to make any conclusions.
Aginor is an excellent example of a very powerful and unskilled channeler.

He may have been unskilled in combat, but he obviously could use the OP to achieve incredibly complex genetic alterations. There is zero evidence for him being unskilled.
A strong channeler obviously has to train and practice, but as I said, I believe they are better with the Power innately.

But RJ's notes contradict you!
Stronger channelers also have more Talents in general.

Based on? We come across their Talents more, because they are major characters. But we've seen plenty of weaker channelers with great, or even incredible Talents, and strong ones with no particular Talents at all.
There is a general kinship with saidin/saidar that increases with strength, especially at high levels. I've never seen a strong channeler struggle with a specific flow.

Huh? You've never seen Nynaeve struggle? She doesn't practice, so she is quite unskilled. RJ even said that while Elayne and Egwene would pass the Aes Sedai test with considerable ease, Nynaeve would have difficulty. Talaan easily defeats her. Cadsuane says she is quite abysmal outside of Healing. Sumeko even calls her Healing clumsy, though that is probably only true in comparison to Sumeko herself.

Once Nynaeve does start practicing, she improves. But not before. There's no default skill because she's so strong.


There are irritating people who can study two hours before an exam and get an A and others who can't. The Power could be like this.

Undoubtedly. But what makes you think this is weighed towards stronger channelers? We have direct evidence contradicting that.
Since when is Sorilea skilled?

Since Cadsuane made the observation?
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This is a flawed list Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM 1393 Views
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