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Re: She is dead *spoilers* dacole Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM
Oh wow..we figure out who killed asmodean by seeing him again and someone having to rekill him, and thus it must be Grendal who killed him. HA! That would be unbelievably hillarious.



Graendal is dead... the whole test Rand used to prove it was ingenious. She was known for her complex weaves of complusion which proves nearly conclusively that she was in the manor, and when she was bale-fired the complex weaves vanished from the guys brain... that is conclusive proof that she is dead, similar to the way Rand balefired Rahvin who killed Matt and Aviendha is Caemlyn.


Well, it's proof that whoever created the Compulsion - almost certainly Graendal - is dead, but there's a tiny amount of wriggling space there for her to survive.

A bigger question for me is, given how much power Rand drew through the Choeden Kal to balefire the whole palace, how far back was Graendal's thread burned from the pattern? Is Alsalam still alive? If she killed Asmodean (which I think is very likely) could it have burned back far enough that he's now alive again? This seems implausible but not impossible, though that would make a heck of a mess of the pattern.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 1840 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 866 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 838 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 881 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 807 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 779 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 761 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 710 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 848 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 711 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 345 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1282 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 864 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 730 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 838 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 391 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 710 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 798 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 353 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 796 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 707 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 766 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 338 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 785 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 702 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 786 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 727 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 878 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 785 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 375 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 718 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3048 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 713 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 880 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 717 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 687 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 764 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 940 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1006 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 717 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 651 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 800 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 736 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 755 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 773 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 401 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 715 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1159 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 596 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 728 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 757 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 666 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 667 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 732 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 695 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 818 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 306 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 298 Views

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