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Re: She is dead *spoilers* dacole Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM
Oh wow..we figure out who killed asmodean by seeing him again and someone having to rekill him, and thus it must be Grendal who killed him. HA! That would be unbelievably hillarious.



Graendal is dead... the whole test Rand used to prove it was ingenious. She was known for her complex weaves of complusion which proves nearly conclusively that she was in the manor, and when she was bale-fired the complex weaves vanished from the guys brain... that is conclusive proof that she is dead, similar to the way Rand balefired Rahvin who killed Matt and Aviendha is Caemlyn.


Well, it's proof that whoever created the Compulsion - almost certainly Graendal - is dead, but there's a tiny amount of wriggling space there for her to survive.

A bigger question for me is, given how much power Rand drew through the Choeden Kal to balefire the whole palace, how far back was Graendal's thread burned from the pattern? Is Alsalam still alive? If she killed Asmodean (which I think is very likely) could it have burned back far enough that he's now alive again? This seems implausible but not impossible, though that would make a heck of a mess of the pattern.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 2059 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 1009 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 991 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 1029 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 1022 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 927 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 911 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 865 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 1040 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 878 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 431 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1437 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 1021 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 895 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 1003 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 463 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 882 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 959 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 423 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 965 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 872 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 915 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 400 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 933 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 851 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 927 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 877 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 1041 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 935 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 448 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 865 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3201 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 860 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 1058 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 885 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 835 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 916 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 1109 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1154 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 873 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 820 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 954 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 896 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 901 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 963 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 468 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 868 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1312 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 759 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 866 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 897 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 816 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 836 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 893 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 838 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 1003 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 380 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 373 Views

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