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Re: She is dead *spoilers* dacole Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM
Oh wow..we figure out who killed asmodean by seeing him again and someone having to rekill him, and thus it must be Grendal who killed him. HA! That would be unbelievably hillarious.



Graendal is dead... the whole test Rand used to prove it was ingenious. She was known for her complex weaves of complusion which proves nearly conclusively that she was in the manor, and when she was bale-fired the complex weaves vanished from the guys brain... that is conclusive proof that she is dead, similar to the way Rand balefired Rahvin who killed Matt and Aviendha is Caemlyn.


Well, it's proof that whoever created the Compulsion - almost certainly Graendal - is dead, but there's a tiny amount of wriggling space there for her to survive.

A bigger question for me is, given how much power Rand drew through the Choeden Kal to balefire the whole palace, how far back was Graendal's thread burned from the pattern? Is Alsalam still alive? If she killed Asmodean (which I think is very likely) could it have burned back far enough that he's now alive again? This seems implausible but not impossible, though that would make a heck of a mess of the pattern.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 1944 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 908 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 886 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 922 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 884 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 823 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 804 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 753 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 932 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 760 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 374 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1327 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 907 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 773 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 879 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 418 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 758 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 848 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 374 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 835 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 753 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 811 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 359 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 827 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 743 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 829 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 780 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 918 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 829 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 400 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 759 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3098 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 756 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 941 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 764 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 733 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 806 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 997 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1047 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 767 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 700 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 844 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 774 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 795 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 830 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 423 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 758 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1200 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 645 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 771 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 800 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 712 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 706 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 776 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 739 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 872 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 329 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 321 Views

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