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Re: She is dead *spoilers* dacole Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM
Oh wow..we figure out who killed asmodean by seeing him again and someone having to rekill him, and thus it must be Grendal who killed him. HA! That would be unbelievably hillarious.



Graendal is dead... the whole test Rand used to prove it was ingenious. She was known for her complex weaves of complusion which proves nearly conclusively that she was in the manor, and when she was bale-fired the complex weaves vanished from the guys brain... that is conclusive proof that she is dead, similar to the way Rand balefired Rahvin who killed Matt and Aviendha is Caemlyn.


Well, it's proof that whoever created the Compulsion - almost certainly Graendal - is dead, but there's a tiny amount of wriggling space there for her to survive.

A bigger question for me is, given how much power Rand drew through the Choeden Kal to balefire the whole palace, how far back was Graendal's thread burned from the pattern? Is Alsalam still alive? If she killed Asmodean (which I think is very likely) could it have burned back far enough that he's now alive again? This seems implausible but not impossible, though that would make a heck of a mess of the pattern.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 1643 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 710 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 684 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 715 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 638 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 619 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 600 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 548 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 686 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 547 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 286 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1120 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 694 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 569 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 681 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 319 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 545 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 641 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 288 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 631 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 540 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 603 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 274 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 627 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 550 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 623 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 566 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 711 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 616 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 312 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 559 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 2884 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 563 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 715 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 557 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 516 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 603 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 790 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 846 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 569 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 492 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 632 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 578 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 583 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 621 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 326 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 558 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1000 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 433 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 569 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 606 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 516 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 515 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 554 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 541 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 666 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 246 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 237 Views

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