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What? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM
In fact, it's almost like they've been murdered at birth every time their soul would have been reborn in that turning. And we have no idea how long each of the Seven Ages are.


Huh? Where are you getting this?

RJ said that balefire just killed you backwards in time.

So if I balefired you, it would essentially be the same if I traveled back in time 5 minutes, stabbed you with a sword, and then came back to the future. Your thread in the pattern would stop but your soul would be utterly unaffected. A piece of metal or balefire, no difference to how you will be reborn.

It does nothing for the soul. The soul is reborn normally. And while some souls might be born more rarely like Rand/LTT, it seems likely that most are born more often.

For example, it is very possible that Rahvin who was balefired has already been reborn. Maybe his soul is even one of Elayne's children. That would be ironic. And while I admit that its not very likely, there is no mechanism that says its impossible.

All those that died will be reborn normally. They would have been reborn equally normally if Rand had just burned the place to the ground with regular fire. It is likely that some who died in that palace will be reborn in a new infant within the next decade. Perhaps even before the books are over. I don't think there is anything to support the idea that they would all have to wait until all the ages reset.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1594 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 993 Views
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Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1018 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 744 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 908 Views
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I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 776 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 887 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 900 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 813 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 926 Views
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 799 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 411 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 807 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 811 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 773 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 448 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 754 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 393 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 763 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 737 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 869 Views
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let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 808 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 808 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 827 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 782 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 837 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 724 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 815 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 797 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 818 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 761 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 833 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 765 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 708 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 885 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 819 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 796 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 750 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 808 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 719 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 741 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 893 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 741 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 745 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 823 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 768 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 801 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 876 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 744 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 749 Views
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 897 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 852 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 807 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 840 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 734 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 842 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 792 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 830 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 751 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 824 Views
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Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1091 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 719 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 759 Views

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