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yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM
The way it reads sounds like it could take a lot of time after someone's death to secure the right body... so unless it's a journey that takes months after your death I'm thinking Balefire shouldn't really make all that much difference.


Umm no, DO keeps your soul in his grasp, maybe inside the bore while waiting for a body to be secured. But the initial capture of the soul has to happen quickly. However, once the DO has your soul in his grasp, he can keep it from escaping to join the pattern.

So to continue my example. If he captured you in those 2 minutes, he could then keep your soul in his hand for years if he wanted to, he would not need to find a body in the remaining 3 minutes. But if he missed that 5 minute window, nothing could be done.


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Rand the psycho? Datakim - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1938 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1404 Views
On Balefire Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1346 Views
Good point Datakim - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1385 Views
On the nature of BaleFire Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 1282 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. Datakim - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM 1194 Views
Wait! Datakim - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1282 Views
Re: Wait! callandor1000 - 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM 1183 Views
Re: Wait! Datakim - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 1169 Views
Re: Wait! callandor1000 - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 1139 Views
Re: Wait! Datakim - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM 1141 Views
I disagree Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 1109 Views
Re: I disagree Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 1134 Views
Re: I disagree Lord Haart - 07/01/2010 04:42:40 AM 1127 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1231 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Datakim - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 1156 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1244 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 1196 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1212 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 1141 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1215 Views
I agree with Templar Lord Haart - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 1115 Views
Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM 1656 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1235 Views
Rand crossed a line Etzel - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1240 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line Datakim - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1188 Views
But... Etzel - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1264 Views
Re: But... Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 1081 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1267 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* Etzel - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 605 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1144 Views
What? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1141 Views
Where did you get that? Gher - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 1109 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 608 Views
LOL ... super-death! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 1084 Views
Hah! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 605 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 1126 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 1061 Views
Yes it was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1226 Views
Re: Yes it was. Datakim - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1196 Views
Re: Yes it was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1177 Views
Re: Yes it was. Datakim - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 1170 Views
let me ask the question in a different way darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1184 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1154 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1283 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 1110 Views
yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead? darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM 1101 Views
Re: yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead? Datakim - 07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM 1068 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1260 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 1105 Views
you are kidding right? darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1162 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1128 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1142 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1160 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 1097 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1176 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1137 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 1058 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1207 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1191 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1201 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: Sidious - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 1098 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1156 Views
What might work... Etzel - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 1044 Views
Re: What might work... Datakim - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 1067 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again Itachi - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1249 Views
Meh Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 1098 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 1075 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1179 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1147 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1136 Views
*laughs behind hand* darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1204 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 1059 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 1106 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing Datakim - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 1197 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 1089 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing Datakim - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1254 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1205 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. Datakim - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1132 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1192 Views
I concede Datakim - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 1091 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. Cannoli - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1210 Views
Tee hee. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1164 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, Nyrende - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1155 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 1109 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention Cannoli - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1159 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention Lord Haart - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1347 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention Cannoli - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1469 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 1045 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. Cannoli - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 1092 Views
You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM 1208 Views
Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do. Cannoli - 08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM 1082 Views
Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules darius_sedai - 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM 1379 Views
Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ... amirebram - 07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM 1129 Views
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