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Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
When in fact they are closer to Prisoners of War. So what Rand did was nuke a POW camp because a high ranking General for the enemy was there. How well do you think a legitimate Military Organization would treat a General who did that?


I am not. I am judging the morality. I know they are not combatants. They are civilians, NOT prisoners of war. One might be construed as having some moral obligations to POWs. Your analogy would be more correct if you said concentration camp, rather than POW camp, and that would STILL be a valid target in the situation you describe any way. Just because some government bureaucracy obsessed with image and media double-standards might disapprove of something does not make it immoral. I guess you agree that homosexuality is grounds for dismissal & exclusion then, as the most prominent legitimate Military Organization in the world feels?


they are essentially POWs. Concentration camp is another apt analogy. Your opinion doesn't make something moral to anyone but you. Morality is too subjective/personal to really define... the truly telling part is that Rand found the act immoral, as he later insinuates when he thinks about what he's done.

As for homosexuality in the military, there are military organizations that allow it ... Israel for one,not sure what that has to do with this conversation though.

I'm talking about human rights organizations and the wider military mentality... i.e. a General who did what Rand did would likely be brought up on war crimes charges!
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