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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM
I don't think so. He could have done any number of things. You are just refusing to see the alternatives because you want to take the easy way out, as he did.

This might have been a job for a channeler with subterfuge and good intelligence like Cadsuane and her cadre to manage rather than Rand.

But, as I said in my initial post, I think indulging in mass murder is not something I'll ever reward with fan-support regardless of who does and regardless of who is killed. If you win by sacrificing everything you believe in, it becomes a pyrrhic victory, and I think this had the potential to become that.
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Rand the psycho? Datakim - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1835 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1244 Views
On Balefire Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1230 Views
Good point Datakim - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1260 Views
On the nature of BaleFire Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 1162 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. Datakim - 06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM 1073 Views
Wait! Datakim - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1148 Views
Re: Wait! callandor1000 - 06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM 1063 Views
Re: Wait! Datakim - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 1053 Views
Re: Wait! callandor1000 - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 1025 Views
Re: Wait! Datakim - 06/01/2010 03:55:01 PM 1026 Views
I disagree Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 978 Views
Re: I disagree Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 1023 Views
Re: I disagree Lord Haart - 07/01/2010 04:42:40 AM 1003 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1120 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Datakim - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 1022 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1122 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 1041 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1097 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 1029 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1097 Views
I agree with Templar Lord Haart - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 994 Views
Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM 1533 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1122 Views
Rand crossed a line Etzel - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1124 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line Datakim - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1083 Views
But... Etzel - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1158 Views
Re: But... Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 966 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1114 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* Etzel - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 541 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1022 Views
What? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1035 Views
Where did you get that? Gher - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 995 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 546 Views
LOL ... super-death! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 962 Views
Hah! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 541 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 996 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 953 Views
Yes it was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1103 Views
Re: Yes it was. Datakim - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1067 Views
Re: Yes it was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1056 Views
Re: Yes it was. Datakim - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 1054 Views
let me ask the question in a different way darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1059 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1038 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1121 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 991 Views
yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead? darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM 994 Views
Re: yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead? Datakim - 07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM 954 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1095 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 939 Views
you are kidding right? darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1040 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1016 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1040 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1046 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 967 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1057 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1023 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 939 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1093 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. Datakim - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1064 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1069 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: Sidious - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 998 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1028 Views
What might work... Etzel - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 936 Views
Re: What might work... Datakim - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 957 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again Itachi - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1133 Views
Meh Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 958 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 964 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1064 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1024 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1021 Views
*laughs behind hand* darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1096 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 942 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 990 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing Datakim - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 1060 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 976 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing Datakim - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1131 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1094 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. Datakim - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1030 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1054 Views
I concede Datakim - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 964 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. Cannoli - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1091 Views
Tee hee. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1032 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, Nyrende - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1038 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 975 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention Cannoli - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1044 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention Lord Haart - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1232 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention Cannoli - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1356 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 937 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. Cannoli - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 970 Views
You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM 1105 Views
Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do. Cannoli - 08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM 982 Views
Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules darius_sedai - 09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM 1265 Views
Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ... amirebram - 07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM 1020 Views
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