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Re: Wait! Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM

In the AoL, men and women linked together and as such, would have linked, likely with angreal and sa'angreal to create such a stream of balefire. From what the books imply, the amount of power used determines how large the beam of balefire will be.


Irrelevant. If a link of 72 could match the power offered by the CK, there would never have been a need to construct them, and the AS could have used a link to create the barrier they were intending to use the CK for.

CK was created at the end of the war, after the whole balefire thing. This means that when those cities were balefired, LESS power was used than CK at maximum.

It seems to me then, that if the power was directly connected to the width of the destruction area, to destroy a city of 100K people would have required a truly humongous amount of power. More than the AoLers had available.

I mean when Rand, the most powerfull channeler, using an angreal creates the most powerfull balefirestream he can, its about the thickness of a man. A meter or so maybe? How big is a city of 100K. Many kilometers certainly. If the only way to increase the thickness of the bar is extra strength. and the most powerfull channeler, with an angreal could only create a bar meter thick, imagine the sheer immense power required to do one several kilometers thick to wipe out a city in a single blow.

So it seems likely to me that there is a way to create a balefire bar that destroyes things in a large area, but only burns things back a short time. Essentially, this strongly implies that a skilled channeler can alter the form of the balefire. It can be a spear directed at a single target with most of the strength in it going to burn the target backwards as much as possible. Or it can be a sort of weapon of mass destruction, where the strength is added to the area effected, while lessening the time the threads burn backwards.

Given that, the most likely explanation to me was that Rand, using LTT knowledge did just that. He used the CK to create a beam wide enough to erase the whole of the palace at a single blow, but still kept the total strength level low to miminize the damage to the pattern.

I should also say that if the pattern could survive the instant annihilation of hundred thousand people at a single instant, how bad could the deaths of 300 people truly be? Adds more credence to the idea that Rand, with LTT's memories knows far better how much the pattern can take than Cadsuane or any other AS.

Seems clear to me, though I do admit that I am pretty tired and going to bed now. Hopefully this will still make sense to me in the morning.

Goodnight all!
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1859 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1272 Views
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Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1292 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1181 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 1013 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1149 Views
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I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 1038 Views
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Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1155 Views
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1188 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 999 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1154 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 557 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1055 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1060 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 1022 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 565 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 997 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 558 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 1035 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 980 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1139 Views
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let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1090 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1066 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1158 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 1024 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1140 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 976 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1070 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1048 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1065 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1075 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 1002 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1084 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1058 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 971 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1121 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1100 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1107 Views
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What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 964 Views
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Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1165 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 993 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 991 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1090 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1053 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1050 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1123 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 983 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 1021 Views
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right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1119 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1058 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1081 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 999 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1115 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1075 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1066 Views
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1083 Views
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Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 966 Views
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