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What? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM
In fact, it's almost like they've been murdered at birth every time their soul would have been reborn in that turning. And we have no idea how long each of the Seven Ages are.


Huh? Where are you getting this?

RJ said that balefire just killed you backwards in time.

So if I balefired you, it would essentially be the same if I traveled back in time 5 minutes, stabbed you with a sword, and then came back to the future. Your thread in the pattern would stop but your soul would be utterly unaffected. A piece of metal or balefire, no difference to how you will be reborn.

It does nothing for the soul. The soul is reborn normally. And while some souls might be born more rarely like Rand/LTT, it seems likely that most are born more often.

For example, it is very possible that Rahvin who was balefired has already been reborn. Maybe his soul is even one of Elayne's children. That would be ironic. And while I admit that its not very likely, there is no mechanism that says its impossible.

All those that died will be reborn normally. They would have been reborn equally normally if Rand had just burned the place to the ground with regular fire. It is likely that some who died in that palace will be reborn in a new infant within the next decade. Perhaps even before the books are over. I don't think there is anything to support the idea that they would all have to wait until all the ages reset.
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1902 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1341 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1303 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1338 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 1242 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1229 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 1059 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1186 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 1112 Views
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1177 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 1105 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1168 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 1080 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1198 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1194 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1157 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1225 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 1044 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1229 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 580 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1099 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1101 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 1061 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 587 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 1044 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 579 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 1082 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 1025 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1184 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1153 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1129 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 1126 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1141 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1115 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1237 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 1076 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1209 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 1057 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1116 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1090 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1108 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1119 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 1053 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1134 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1099 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 1015 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1169 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1142 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1157 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 1068 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1107 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 1000 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 1030 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1208 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 1050 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 1036 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1127 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1099 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1090 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1165 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 1027 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 1066 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 1150 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 1052 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1217 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1163 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1097 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1142 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 1054 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1169 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1124 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1115 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 1053 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1125 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1307 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1428 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 1003 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 1045 Views

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