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Compulsion is limited Sidious Send a noteboard - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM

Compulsion can't set people off on complex tasks. I think a compelled person is extremely limited and less useful than a normal person. If Ituralde is still compelled, it will be to some singular purpose which will be obvious at the time when it manifests, and easy for the good guys to overcome.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2797 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1526 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1320 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1435 Views
You also ignored... randfandom - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1431 Views
and of course, the obvious theme Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1244 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1390 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS Etzel - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1352 Views
I think playing too many games just messes up with the integrety and solidness of the books ... amirebram - 26/01/2010 09:46:16 PM 2814 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1599 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1377 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Underwood - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1317 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1137 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? beetnemesis - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1139 Views
that's kind of my whole point darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1066 Views
Uh, not actually at all really Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1372 Views
*shudders* Yondaime - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1240 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1274 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1178 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1259 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1099 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1262 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1283 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? Rurouni_Kenshin - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1217 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1328 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1085 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1284 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1070 Views
Moiraine probably learned it while researching with Adealas and Vandene. *NM* Gher - 26/01/2010 04:57:09 PM 867 Views
Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1267 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1255 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1131 Views
Re: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1246 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1267 Views
Me, Too. The Name With No Man - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1241 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Sidious - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1351 Views
I believe she's dead Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1187 Views
Re: I believe she's dead Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1231 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1071 Views
Besides, if it wasn't Graendal, it implies that she knew of Rand's plan, which is not feasible *NM* Shannow - 26/01/2010 02:01:41 PM 655 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1362 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! Underwood - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1111 Views
Stop passing judgments... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1297 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1180 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1150 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1179 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1079 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1191 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1259 Views
Re: Not really Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1176 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1140 Views
*NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 623 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1219 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1113 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1268 Views
read the whole quote darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 933 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1042 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1127 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1265 Views
I don't see any flaws. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1300 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1054 Views
Re: But... Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1205 Views
That is what I thought ... Yondaime - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1110 Views
That still doesn't make sense. fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1286 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1318 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1165 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! Yondaime - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1102 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1039 Views
Dude, read what I said please... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1225 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1212 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1089 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot Yondaime - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1145 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 965 Views
We don't know that, exactly Yondaime - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1036 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1112 Views
Seriously? Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1139 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1097 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 771 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 711 Views
Ok, in more detail: Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1215 Views
I'm tired of making this point... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 957 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... Syraelle - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1137 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1053 Views
But that means she's dead Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1095 Views
Re: But that means she's dead Heiko - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1192 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1030 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. Syraelle - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1103 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1276 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1278 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1096 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1112 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Underwood - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1114 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 921 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1133 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1242 Views
That's not fair Yondaime - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1076 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1055 Views
Does anybody have a link to it? (nothing on Google). I'm intrigued. *NM* Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 08:27:13 AM 667 Views
It was on Wotmania. Someone copied all the theories, but I don't recall whom. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 08:31:00 AM 796 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1051 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1158 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1270 Views
Re: So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:05:21 AM 1256 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 736 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1231 Views
Not even comparable. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 989 Views
Re: Not even comparable. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1101 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1054 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1101 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1085 Views
And, just to double post: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 866 Views
Re: And, just to double post: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1156 Views
Nice answer. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1202 Views
Re: Nice answer. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1125 Views
Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1242 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1126 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1140 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 987 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1173 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1123 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. Etzel - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1155 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1202 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... Etzel - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1172 Views
I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1546 Views
I will stop our discussion here; the posts are already pushed too far to the right of my display. *NM* Etzel - 29/01/2010 06:14:29 PM 600 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1093 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1105 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1153 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1127 Views
I don't see a flaw rAndy aL - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1212 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw Underwood - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1164 Views
Yup, I'm tired of seeing arguments that ignore the need to back up their own claims. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:47:16 PM 1138 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. TheUltimateReality - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1155 Views
Spot on. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 729 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans DomA - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1135 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 712 Views
Compulsion is limited Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1114 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1248 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited DomA - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1018 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. taura-tierno - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1120 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. Libby - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1200 Views
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