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1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM

the most Rand has ever been shown to use is 12 in TSR!


As has been said, it was during the KoD trolloc attack. It was LTT who was doing it really but they are essentially the same (especially now) so what LTT can do, Rand can do.

During the attack, Rand creates 6 Blossoms of Fire at once.
Three weaves go into making one Blossom (Earth, Air, Fire)
That means to create the 6 blossoms took 18 weaves woven simultaneously.

However it is also written that LTT makes 6 deathgates at the _same time_ as he makes the blossoms. Again it takes 3 weaves (Spirit, Fire, Earth). That means another 18.

That means that according to the text, the absolute minimum amount that LTT/Rand can do is 36 simultaneous weaves. And those are actual complex weaves used to attack rather than simple glowing balls. (Though to be fair to Egwene, she was under forkroot so I assume she could do something real with her 14 weaves in other situations)

The arrow of fire thing is in addition to this, and its a bit more confusing. During the above scene, LTT does not do AoF since those require raised hands. However he does complain about not being able to raise his hands, which suggests that he could potentially have done the Arrows in addition to all that. Arrows of Fire use 2 weaves (Fire, Earth). So that would add the minimum to 38.

Though I do think, based on the text, that to create the arrows really did require just 2 flows rather than a hundred. The weave for the arrows is called "intricate" so I think it was the complexity of the weave that caused a constant stream of "arrows", rather than having to create a unique web for each one.

So any AS (including Egwene) could create Arrows of Fire, if they simply had the necessary skill, and knew how. A shame that Egwene does not have either or the Seanchan attack could have ended very differently. Could Nynaeve have created AoF? In truth I doubt it, but I think she is still superiour to Egwene. Neither of them could be considered elite-channelers, but Nynaeve is closer. Egwene has simply never done anything that would even suggest she is especially skilled. Like I said before, she has mostly been doing politics. In a pure test of OP, Nynaeve would easily dominate. And not just in healing but in every area.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2781 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1543 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1464 Views
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Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1401 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1403 Views
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1328 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1407 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1296 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1282 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1264 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 904 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1541 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1232 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1317 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1455 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1184 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1445 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1397 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1337 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1577 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1440 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1382 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1309 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1369 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1922 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1340 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1344 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1251 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1351 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1156 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1051 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1272 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1367 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 801 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 853 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1347 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1216 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1340 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1342 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1248 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1243 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1244 Views
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Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1217 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1162 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1331 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1162 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1302 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1301 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1230 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1278 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1312 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1321 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1221 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1202 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1272 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1227 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1227 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1154 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1226 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1207 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1296 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1255 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1382 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1279 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1191 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1337 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1316 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1228 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1315 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1220 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1325 Views
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1154 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1402 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1397 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1200 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1224 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1202 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1265 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1248 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1250 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1254 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1304 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1246 Views
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Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1208 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2541 Views
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1297 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1218 Views
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1254 Views
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1427 Views
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*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1353 Views
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THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9781 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1260 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1440 Views
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Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1315 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 808 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 761 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1314 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1296 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1360 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1301 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1290 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1263 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1275 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 795 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1272 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1317 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1287 Views

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