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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM

That's a stretch. Nowhere in the book it stated that Nynaeve is clumsy weaver. It stated several times that she doesn't pay attention to studies if it's not involved the Healing. But that is not the same as clumsy. In many regards, Nynaeve is exceptional weaver. As shown from POV of Elayne.

Read darius's quotes. Added to that, Elayne says Nynaeve has a very rough touch in her weaving.
And yes, despite all this, Nynaeve is exceptional. Anyone else with her total lack of interest with the Power would be useless. She has enough inherent skill to get by, and is insanely strong. But she is not anywhere near the top. Not yet.

If we compare them to Aes Sedai, then Nynaeve long ago overpassed Aes Sedai. Here is the quote from WOT Wiki: "She has some favorable skill in battle: whenever threatened in the early books she would call down lightning and spew fireballs with an ease most Accepted (and even Aes Sedai) would have trouble matching, once even using balefire which only a few living Aes Sedai even have knowledge about"
Remember how Nynaeve was in battle in earlier books.

WoT wiki as evidence? Since when? I've heard of no Aes Sedai having difficulty with Fireballs and Lightning, so this is about the most absurd claim I've read.
And what of Egwene's battles in the early books? She was trained by damane, and fought the Shaido in battle for a long time (longer than Nynaeve has fought in a battle). She uses unconventional stuff like exploding the Earth to a height of 50 feet. She obviously is better at destruction than Nynaeve.

That's not what RJ implied and your assumtion is simply wrong. RJ implied that Nynaeve is not intersted in anything that is not involve Healing. That's why passing test for her would be a little hard. As a channeling under stress - she tackled Moggy and I don't think it was very calm situation. So again, you assumtion that she's not capable to tackle obstacles and distractions are simply baseless.

Nynaeve's lack of interest in anything but Healing is the issue here. She knows barely anything outside it, which is what gives Egwene the edge, as battle does not involve Healing.

We've seen Rand doing 100 Arrows of Fire at once. And we've seen Nynaeve doing mutlitple very complex weaving that Elayne can't comprehend at all. And we've been told that are SuperGirls (Avi, Elayne, Egwene) are pretty much evenly matched.

Rand made one weave, which gave off a hundred arrows. The wording is very clear.
Same with Nynaeve's Healing. It may be insanely complex, but any Aes Sedai with moderate Healing can do it. It requires no splitting of Flows.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 3036 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1773 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1710 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1568 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1683 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1524 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1766 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1644 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1633 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1576 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1587 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1671 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1574 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1551 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1515 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 1025 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1791 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1472 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1582 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1729 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1409 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1685 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1654 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1599 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1837 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1696 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1655 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1582 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1632 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2198 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1573 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1592 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1509 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1601 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1388 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1299 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1517 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1621 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1476 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1582 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1485 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 945 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 972 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1591 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1456 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1601 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1609 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1474 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1567 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1484 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1526 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1492 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1408 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1584 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1439 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1539 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1580 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1529 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1477 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1538 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1572 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1548 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1509 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1443 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1533 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1464 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1493 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1429 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1504 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1483 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1584 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 909 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1513 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1631 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1522 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1459 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1613 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1551 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1529 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1595 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1518 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1550 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1424 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1404 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1656 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1656 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1493 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1497 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1583 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1471 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1523 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1462 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1452 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1514 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1516 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1489 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1489 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1579 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1510 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1435 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1469 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2846 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1589 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1526 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1471 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1347 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1504 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1576 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1722 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1641 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1567 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1620 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1557 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1509 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 809 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1397 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 10053 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1486 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1697 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1388 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1579 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1415 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 921 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 886 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1585 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1555 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1614 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1552 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1529 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1508 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1501 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 913 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1511 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1561 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1510 Views
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