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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM
I merely read the series as RJ wanted it

laughable.


Not as laughable as claiming "the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien".

Really, I can't think of many, if any, where pure skill is used over strength in a 1vs1.

Just because you WANT skill to matter more, doesn't mean that it does. Sure, it's not fair to those who are weaker in the OP. But life's unfair.

Now, if you argued that passion, intelligence, cunning, tactics or similar traits could give a weaker channeller an edge, then I'd probably agree. But thus far in the series, strength is King.

EotW - Aginor and Balthamel both use it vs Moiraine, Rand etc.

TSR - Rand beats Asmodean in a pure strength contest, winning solely due to his angreal.

TFoH - Rand uses strength more than skill against Lanfear.

TFoH - Again, Rand uses all his strength to BF Rahvin, the only possible way to save his friends.

TFoH - Ironically, you're claim that "the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien" is no longer true at the end since Nynaeve beats Moggy using her wits, and NO power at all.

LoC - Rand uses his strength to break the shield on him so hard that 2 AS are stilled. Earlier, he constantly measures how safe he is from the AS by their strength and number, ignoring whether they are Red, Green or Brown. Skill doesn't factor in to Rand/LTT.

...That's enough for now, you get the drift, I've skipped plenty and I could go further in the series and add plenty more.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2979 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1711 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1645 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1501 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1621 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1461 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1686 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1581 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1567 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1514 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1515 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1616 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1506 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1493 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1454 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 993 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1722 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1415 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1506 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1669 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1356 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1622 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1590 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1540 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1770 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1621 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1595 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1509 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1568 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2135 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1508 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1525 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1445 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1540 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1327 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1239 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1450 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1562 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1415 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1520 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1415 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 908 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 936 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1519 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1391 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1541 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1542 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1412 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1508 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1417 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1452 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1429 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1340 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1511 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1381 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1468 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1508 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1466 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1403 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1479 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1498 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1485 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1454 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1388 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1471 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1406 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1428 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1353 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1433 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1411 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1520 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 874 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1450 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1568 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1459 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1399 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1543 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1491 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1466 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1530 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1460 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1488 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1364 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1336 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1593 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1598 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1432 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1435 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1527 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1404 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1458 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1402 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1390 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1448 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1435 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1425 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1432 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1513 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1440 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1373 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1399 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2778 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1528 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1450 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1402 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1282 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1448 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1520 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1654 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1579 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1501 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1562 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1490 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1443 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 774 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1338 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9991 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1427 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1619 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1322 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1523 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1360 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 892 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 850 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1517 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1499 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1550 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1488 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1465 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1447 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1436 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 877 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1442 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1499 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1451 Views
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