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Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM
Your first post claimed that there was an inarguable plot hole.

This is clearly not the case, there are plenty of explanations around it. There's also a difference between "possible" and "plausible".

It's "plausible" that Graendal moved her lair after Sammael's apparent death/disappearance.

It is NOT "plausible" that Graendal planned the entire chain of events leading to Natrin's Barrow being BF'ed, and then escaped in an elaborate ruse.

Both are of course technically "possible", but I should remind you that it is also "possible" that all of the events of the Wheel of Time series turns out to simply be a dream being had by a giant purple happy butterfly who is, out of some cosmic sense of irony, named Narg. Brandon has not revealed it to us yet, so it's possible. Of course, it's far from plausible.


That make it very easy to question Natrin's Barrow as Graendal's true location. I never said there was a "plot hole"
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 1970 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 871 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 806 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 842 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 876 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 827 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 733 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 831 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 795 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 690 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 731 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 752 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 707 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 735 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 757 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 742 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 664 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 781 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 341 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 714 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 695 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 715 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 888 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 803 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 773 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 716 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 724 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 824 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 674 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 786 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 781 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 784 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 750 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 797 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 747 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 385 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 744 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 737 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 748 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 824 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 717 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 769 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 764 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 348 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 819 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 685 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 959 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 695 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 361 Views
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