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*sigh back* darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM
Including that Graendal set Rand up ... that's all I'm saying


*Sigh*

So this IS about pushing that theory. As I said, just because all things are possible does not make them equally possible or even plausible.

Graendal setting up Rand in this way defies plausibility. It's just as likely (perhaps more so) that Moridin planted Kerb, using Cyndane or Moghedien (who both visited Graendal's lair) to Compel him and leave that information. This would explain Kerb, and at the same time means that there was no ridiculous "magic" during the Natrin's Barrow scene, since Graendal was certainly killed there. Moridin sacrificed Semirhage, so why not Graendal as well? He has no love for her, as the prologue showed.

Of course, I think that my theory above is pretty much a loony theory, but it STILL makes more sense than supposing that Graendal used a method of weaving henceforth unseen in the series to make the Compulsion disappear. There is simply no explanation around that: it would be totally out of character for this series to introduce such a mechanism without identifying or explaining it until future books.


If this bugs you so much quit responding.

This post is about discussing the various possibilities. In short, I'm unconvinced that Graendal is dead, but I'm not certain of it either. I agree it's just as possible that Graendal was set up by a rival, or that the entire event can be taken at face value, or that something none of us has thought of happened.

I'm pointing out that there are some rather obvious flaws in the way the story was told, which leaves a ton of room for any number of theories.

There are a ton of things about this whole scenario that don't really add up for me:

1. Conflicting information about Natrin's Barrow
2. Not seeing Graendal die onscreen
3. Elza learning mystery weaves
4. The CK Access Key being left behind
5. Sulin's random appearance in that particular moment
6. Bair and Sorilea being the only 2 to know where the DB were being held
7. Graendal's supposedly undetectible "touch" being obvious, not once but twice
8. Kerb knowing the name of an obscure fort in the middle of nowhere
9. Milisaire's pointless poisoning
10. Graendal's random orders to increase Rands pain of heart for extra rewards

and that's just off the top of my head! I honestly have no idea what's going on here, but I hope that it's something we don't expect!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 1945 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 841 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 779 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 815 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 847 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 799 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 708 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 807 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 766 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 662 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 704 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 719 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 682 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 705 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 728 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 719 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 639 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 758 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 324 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 685 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 667 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 686 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 863 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 777 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 744 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 692 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 686 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 794 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 645 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 758 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 752 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 754 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 717 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 750 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 713 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 372 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 716 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 709 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 717 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 792 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 687 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 744 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 737 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 337 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 784 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 651 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 925 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 668 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 345 Views
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