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Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM
I said "personal glory", not "revenge". Of course Siuan has a motive to help Egwene, but she could easily have supported Lelaine or Romanda with similar results (her support would have tipped that balance, I am sure).

And as Egwene said, the Stilling and Deposing of Siuan was invalid since there were BA in the Hall, so technically Siuan is still Amyrlin.

Most of all though, Siuan has been a constant friend and mentor. It is made clear by RJ/Brandon in Rand's chapters that when he gets angry at friends who disobey orders or criticise him for the right reasons (for example, Nynaeve telling him not to strike at the Borderlanders), he is wrong to be angry (and in fact, we see that he even knows and understands that Nynaeve is correct).

Contrast this with Egwene, who knows that the Seanchan could still be around (she never even asks about or considers the huge danger posed by the BloodKnives, one of whom could easily have killed her) while she was unconcious after the battle. Her own logic of her self-importance dictates that her life is invaluable at this point, so why she got angry at Siuan for preserving it is completely irrational. Why is Egwene any better than Rand in this case? I think that in fact, she is WORSE, because she fails to think about WHY the order was disobeyed, and she can't understand or forgive a friend (who has not once failed her) for it.

And as I said, Siuan accepting the judgement means nothing. A major theme in Egwene's plot line is that just because nobody protests an action, does not make that action right.
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2710 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 872 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 961 Views
We all do that - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 1028 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 821 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 1121 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 948 Views
Yes she did. - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1163 Views
Take a sedative - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 1001 Views
somethings we can agree on! - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 977 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 968 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 978 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 1005 Views
Not really - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 893 Views
Re: Not really - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 904 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 1015 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 956 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 912 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 1005 Views
Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 1034 Views
Re: Well said. - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 865 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 801 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 956 Views
how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 810 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1292 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 999 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 966 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 1027 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 944 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 1044 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 805 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 908 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 870 Views
Same old same old - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 894 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 658 Views
Re: Same old same old - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 1020 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 912 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 901 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 924 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 918 Views
are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 882 Views
Re: are you being serious? - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 986 Views
Oh, I don't think so. - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 866 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 963 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 870 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 1119 Views
this is hilarious - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 887 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1152 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 546 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 967 Views
- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 1021 Views
Re: - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 892 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 853 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 917 Views
You need a re-read my friend - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 913 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 1003 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 958 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 985 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 919 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 866 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 983 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 818 Views
I don't think so - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 851 Views
Re: I don't think so - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 947 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 871 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 1089 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 989 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 963 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 892 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 845 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 846 Views
and a massive failure - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 990 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 773 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 599 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 814 Views
But that's the point - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 888 Views
Not quite. - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 896 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 972 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 987 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 983 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 924 Views

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