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You need a re-read my friend darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM
Actually, only Perrin is specifically referenced in any of the visions that I can remember. Everyone else is faceless, and it's possible that the Pattern can replace them.


characters have a roll in the LB.


Except that as I said, they are not mentioned by name. For all we know, Thom might be one of the fireflies, or even Padan Fain, but at the same time we've seen the Pattern heal itself, and it can replace someone like Niall with Galad if it needs too.

Of course, I'm being a bit pedantic here: I'd agree that all major characters are crucial to the plot at this point (indeed, they'd better be).


Min expressly states that Egwene (and Mat, Perrin, Thom, Nynaeve, Moiraine and Lan) is "part of it" and that when they all get together the fireflies do a better job than when it's just Rand. Mat's not ever mentioned by name, nor is Perrin... Wolf King wasn't Perrin's name the last I checked.

But Aviendha is very likely "the Dedicated Spear", Min "She who sees beyond" and Elyane "the Lion Sword" ... Just like Egwene is obviously the Amyrlin of Elaida's fortellings. If Prophesy was as obvious as "Egwene will be Amyrlin" it would be a little silly.
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2835 Views
My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 07:58:01 AM 1354 Views
Re: My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are. orius - 14/02/2010 09:26:47 AM 1168 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 994 Views
What? We are no longer allowed to make predictions of the coming books unless they're pro-Egwene? Lordling - 14/02/2010 02:22:10 PM 1110 Views
a theory vs. mindlessly attacking a character because you don't like them? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 07:00:27 PM 1095 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 1101 Views
We all do that darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 1159 Views
Is Egwene going to do what Elayne did when she met Rand after tearing down his banners? Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:25:27 AM 1276 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 951 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 1246 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 1095 Views
Yes she did. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1290 Views
No way these are fake... she's not BA and she she says she's having a Foretelling darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:24:29 PM 1178 Views
Good point. And the "rent in fire and blood" part is almost certain as well. Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:13:29 PM 885 Views
Take a sedative Sidious - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 1131 Views
somethings we can agree on! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 1146 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 1099 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 1104 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 1131 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 1020 Views
Re: Not really Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 1048 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 1146 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 1094 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 1057 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 1143 Views
Well said. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 1164 Views
Re: Well said. Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 1013 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 939 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 1082 Views
how is that a good comparrison? darius_sedai - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 943 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1476 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 1132 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 1105 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? fionwe1987 - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 1154 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 1072 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. fionwe1987 - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 1197 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 936 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 1051 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 1000 Views
Same old same old Sidious - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 1034 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 710 Views
Re: Same old same old orius - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 1148 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 1066 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 1018 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 1046 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 1047 Views
are you being serious? darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1030 Views
Re: are you being serious? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 1115 Views
Oh, I don't think so. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 996 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 1112 Views
Re: None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping orius - 15/02/2010 05:08:49 AM 1072 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 1013 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 1267 Views
this is hilarious darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 1028 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:31:26 PM 1142 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1285 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 630 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 1100 Views
darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 1168 Views
Re: Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 1048 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 979 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 1070 Views
You need a re-read my friend darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 1030 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:48:51 PM 1187 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 1136 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 1078 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 1119 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene Gerbeaud - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 1058 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene BlackAdder - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 986 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 1130 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then BlackAdder - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 981 Views
I don't think so darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 1013 Views
Re: I don't think so Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 1092 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 1011 Views
I understood little sister to be a mild insult, Moiraine being so young and weak in the OP *NM* Lordling - 16/02/2010 08:25:55 PM 702 Views
maybe a touch patronizing? *NM* darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 12:51:25 PM 580 Views
Appears to be, but his thought process implies it's not as simple as him merely looking down on her. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/02/2010 05:07:19 PM 536 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand Yondaime - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 1242 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand lilltempest - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 1127 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 1129 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 1030 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 999 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 981 Views
and a massive failure Sidious - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 1123 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 889 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 658 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 944 Views
But that's the point Cannoli - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 1028 Views
Not quite. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 1043 Views
Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:23:47 PM 978 Views
When has she ever actually done that? Rand thinks she will, but so far she's done nothing like it! darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 02:08:23 AM 1063 Views
I meant that EVERYONE is bargaining, posturing, etc. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 02:54:29 AM 976 Views
Well miscommunication is one of the major themes of the series darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:17:25 PM 1006 Views
the most idiotic theme IMO Sidious - 16/02/2010 03:27:26 PM 1069 Views
I don't know if the theme itself is idoitic, but I would totally agree that it's gone nowhere! darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 03:16:30 AM 993 Views
Re: Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise Gerbeaud - 18/02/2010 01:19:00 AM 1051 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 1094 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. lilltempest - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 1118 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. Lordling - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 1165 Views
Well, all those beatings were in private BlackAdder - 16/02/2010 07:54:00 PM 1042 Views
That was the point of the scene in front of the Sitters during the banquet. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/02/2010 06:58:50 PM 655 Views
Oh the one where Elaida tried to have her way with Egwene while the Sitters looked away? *NM* BlackAdder - 23/02/2010 10:12:04 PM 677 Views
Yes. Elaida wanted Egwene to be cowed in front of her into obedience, which would erode her support RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/02/2010 10:18:03 PM 1087 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 1054 Views
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