Well, as I'm sure you know, we don't believe in the Nicene Creed. We are Christians, but not Nicaeans, or Nicaean Christians. Maybe that does mean we are more different from other Christian sects than is average. Ok.




We believe in the Godhead. We worship One God. We believe that Christ is a God, but he is united completely with the Father. We do not pray to Christ.




We believe that Jesus Christ and the Father are two separate beings. He was not created by God the Father. He does the Father's will always. So as completely united as they are, they are not the same.

We are Christian.




No arguments here.




Wow.

He appeared more than once. Did he not appear to his disciples after his Resurrection? Multiple times, even?

He came once, at one period of time. When he comes next, it will be in glory and triumph.




I believe in the Holy Ghost. Please give me a reference to where it is "explicitly" stated that the gift of prophecy has been made unnecessary.

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

And to be honest, I had never heard the idea that Christ put an end to Prophecy, or (Dannymac posted it elswhere) that the Day of Pentecost meant Prophets became obsolete. I'm somewhat... relieved. I could never understand why other religions seemed to believe that revelation stopped after Christ. I don't agree with the idea, but I am sincerely glad to have heard of it.
And because of it, I can now already see the logical response to Amos 3:7.


I believe the Bible, and I believe that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God.




You are the one who says it cannot be performed after death. The Creed itself doesn't, at least not that I can see from what you have quoted.

But yes, we believe in one baptism. We are not first baptized here in this life, and then again after we die. If we are baptized in this life, the ordinance is done. If we are not, it can be done for us by proxy.

This is one doctrine that has always seemed so logical to me, I never have quite understood the attention and debate it stirs. Christ came to save all men. What about all the people who have never even heard his name? There are still people today who do not know anything about Christ. They have not been baptized, but it's not because they rejected Christ. Are they just out of luck?

Instead, we believe that they can learn the gospel in the afterlife, and can accept it. We perform their baptism for them, and they can choose to accept it or not. But it means it is their choice, not something beyond their control because of circumstances.



Nope. A few things:

The Nicene Creed did not come until the year 325 AD. So at most, it could only have been the framework for ~1500 years.

Dim-witted? Seriously? I cannot see how you can view Joseph Smith as dim-witted. If you don't believe what he said, you still have to admit the genius it would take to fabricate everything. Don't tell me any farmboy could write the Book of Mormon. It is too complex for that. I would have trouble believing that a group of professors could fabricate anything approaching the Book of Mormon (and obviously, I don't believe they could have. It is Divinely inspired.)

Do you honestly believe his motivation was making money? Why did he continue after all the persecution he went through? Because he was so filthy stinking rich?

I'm not sure what you are referring to with the "dowsing rod" and "stupid rock" comment. Are you speaking generally about con men?

Change virtually every statement? Nope.


Because we believe in Christ.

2nd Nephi 2:23
For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.
And verse 26
And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.