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Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry Send a noteboard - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM
The Catholic Church was most obviously corrupt and venal when Luther nailed his theses to the church door in Wittenberg. The problem is that, by introducing at once Bibles in the vernacular and the sola scriptura method of theology, each splinter group was a poor copy of what preceded it, to the point where one sees heresies particular to America, such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, who aren't even Christians because their copy is so garbled and unusable.


True. The further one gets from the actual schism, the worse it gets. It's hard for me to think of a non-ecclesiastical church as being anything more than an echo chamber where the most ignorant can (and do) view themselves as being as knowledgeable as the presumed leaders.

Christians can try to instruct them as to the error of their ways and the crudeness of their scriptures, but at the end of the day all anyone can do with an unrepentant Mormon is feel sorry for them, sigh, shake your head and just ignore their faith.


Quite true. For me, if there is an organization whose history does not date at the latest to the 6th century, that group's theology (or poor excuse for it) will not interest me. Monophysites and Monohelites are much, much more interesting than Campbellites or Mormons.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 1157 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1269 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1348 Views
I like that analogy - an echo chamber! *NM* Tom - 08/10/2011 10:44:04 PM 688 Views
Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1380 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 1141 Views
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Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1327 Views
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Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1304 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1218 Views
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