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I don't think there's much of a difference in crazy as opposed to other more mainstream religions. Vivien Send a noteboard - 04/10/2011 07:08:06 PM
I know some mormons (I might even be related to some mormons) and I'm pretty sure I've never heard any sort of opinion like that before.


Why would they talk about something like this? Do you hear your run of the mill christian or jew discuss the curse of Ham? I really don't see that much difference, except the fact the mormons came around relatively recently so their "origin myths" are much more open to verification/validation and of course ridiculule. For example: you can say that Joseph Smith was a con man but how do you know that Jesus Christ wasn't?

Then again, the curse of Ham being used to justify slavery was much less in vogue around the time of Joseph Smith so actually this is something the mormon church should be embarrassed about.

I love this paragraph on wikipedia:

"After the death of Joseph Smith, Jr., Brigham Young, the church's second president, taught that Black Africans were under the curse of Ham, although the day would come when the curse would be nullified through the saving powers of Jesus Christ.[84] In addition, based on his interpretation of the Book of Abraham, Young believed that as a result of this curse Negroes were banned from the Mormon Priesthood,[85] but in 1978 Spencer W. Kimball claimed he received a revelation that extended the Priesthood to all worthy males.[86]"

WORTHY MALES is key.

Any guesses on when the curse on Eve will be lifted?
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I don't think there's much of a difference in crazy as opposed to other more mainstream religions. Vivien - 04/10/2011 07:08:06 PM 1324 Views
A difference exists if only in continued unabashed affirmation of a rather distasteful doctrine. Joel - 04/10/2011 11:06:51 PM 1329 Views
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Right now I am not making an absolute statement but a relative one. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:37:50 PM 1131 Views
Yes, that is kind of the problem. Joel - 06/10/2011 12:13:27 AM 1272 Views
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it's not that we're surprised because it's "novel" LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:19:16 PM 1297 Views
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It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1396 Views
I think we've had this discussion before. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM 1354 Views
Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 1273 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1584 Views
I had not realized it was that late, but used it only as an example of multitudinous controversies. Joel - 07/10/2011 01:03:56 AM 1712 Views
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Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Joel - 08/10/2011 05:30:38 PM 1316 Views
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Tempting as it is to prove Joel wrong (since he so frequently is), I need to take issue with this. Tom - 07/10/2011 06:59:13 PM 1344 Views
I was just saying there were competing views. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:49:26 PM 1704 Views
Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM 1227 Views
That sounds really nice. Vivien - 04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM 1330 Views
Why wait though? Joel - 05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM 1530 Views
So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM 681 Views
Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 1273 Views
I really want an answer from a mormon. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM 1337 Views
Good luck with that; just because I can see no explanation save that I offered does not preclude one Joel - 06/10/2011 07:03:50 AM 1219 Views
Yeah, that's what I thought. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM 1267 Views
I'm satisfied by that explanation. Vivien - 06/10/2011 08:51:15 PM 1508 Views
Re: I'm satisfied by that explanation. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:45:29 PM 1311 Views
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....i don't know what you look like LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:54:56 AM 1251 Views
Shoot, my Mick Jagger strut is way better than my angry hispanic girl head/finger bob and weave. *NM* everynametaken - 05/10/2011 04:58:53 AM 819 Views
Took the words right out of my mouth, repeatedly. Joel - 04/10/2011 12:49:13 PM 1487 Views
Off-Topic Larry - 05/10/2011 01:14:16 AM 1253 Views
Hmm Tom - 05/10/2011 02:03:13 AM 1447 Views
True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 1232 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1359 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1443 Views
I like that analogy - an echo chamber! *NM* Tom - 08/10/2011 10:44:04 PM 738 Views
Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1464 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 1224 Views
The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1372 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 1336 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1402 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 1267 Views
Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? *NM* Dan - 04/10/2011 03:58:16 AM 805 Views
Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1385 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1305 Views
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