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If you think the Book of Mormon was well-written, there is really little left to discuss. Tom Send a noteboard - 04/10/2011 03:57:08 AM
I will strive to ignore the taste of having thrown up in my mouth and continue, however.

Let's stick to some of the major disputes I have with what you wrote:

1. The fundamental, baseline requirement for being Christian is generally a belief in the Trinity, that God is one being in three Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that Christ is God made man, who suffered, died and rose from the dead in an act of salvation. If you do not believe that, YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. You can talk about Jesus and feel he's important, but Muslims, Baha'i and other groups like Jehovah's Witnesses do that. It doesn't make you Christian.

2. You believe that God was as man is, and man will be as God is. This directly contradicts Isaiah, where God says there are no other gods. This is a rejection of the Trinity and a rejection of the Bible.

3. You ask where prophecy has been made obsolete. Hebrews 1:1. Furthermore, the Bible tells us to be on watch for false prophets and antichrists, and Joe Smith was definitely a false prophet. False prophets and antichrists deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). We know a false prophet in two ways: (1) he asks us to follow gods other than God (Deuteronomy 13:1) or (2) if any prophecy he makes does not come true (Deuteronomy 18:21). Joe Smith said the US government would collapse before 1900, he said that there were people on the moon and a whole bunch of other things that were lies. He presumed to translate an Egyptian funerary scroll as a "Book of Moses", which was a lie and a fabrication. He also preaches polytheism in a convenient veil of "the Godhead", which is not the same as God the Father, who is not the only God in Joe Smith's little fantasy world. By either of those standards he would have been stoned to death under Biblical law.

4. Your baptism is not a baptism for the forgiveness of sins, which is what the Biblical baptism is all about: "Confessing their sins, they were baptized by [John] in the Jordan River" (Matthew 3:6).

5. The Book of Mormon is a direct contradiction of Galatians 1:9. Not only that, but you have refuted or ignored so much of the Bible that there is almost no point in having it sit next to the Book of Mormon. You should try reading the entire Bible, if only to realize that you are violating almost everything that it says.

6. Joe Smith was dim-witted. His Book of Mormon is a terrible farce of a book, written with no skill, repeating phrases from the King James Bible and garbling nearly all of them, and so riddled with errors and sentence fragments that it's been revised and revised and revised. It doesn't take a genius to write the Book of Mormon. Here, let me show you:

And it came to pass, that Jophim said to Jophiriah, his son, "Take thee thine oxen and scrumbles and cattle and goest thou unto the land of the Morriphi, and when thou arrivest, tell them that the LORD sends His wrath upon them, and take thou then their land from them. And it came to pass that Jophiriah took his oxen and scrumbles and cattle and went up to the land of the Morriphi, and he found there Cordiah, high priest of the Morriphi...

The entire book is bad copies of Jewish names with no etymology underlying them, made-up place names and a history that is a bad copy of some of the "historical" books of the Bible. Seriously, white people in North America with wheeled carts, cows, metal implements and a whole lot of other things that the Indians never had? There is no complexity to the Book of Mor(m)on. It's an awful parody of the Bible, made up by someone who had heard virtually nothing else in his sad life.

7. Joe Smith was a con man, and he did try to make money. He went around with a dowsing rod and a "seeing glass" and told people that he'd find treasure on their property if they paid him money. Later on, he started a bank that was a pyramid scheme. All the way up until a rightly angry mob took justice into their own hands (I think he should have been tried and thrown in jail to rot), he was trying to get rich. He took money from his followers, he took their wives and he lived on other peoples' money. He was a true parasite. You would do well to read Fawn Brodie's No Man Knows My History, which is the biography that all non-Mormons generally agree to be accurate (Mormons usually stick their fingers in their ears and hum loudly to avoid hearing the truth). I also highly recommend The Mormon Mirage, which would confront you with just how far the Mormons have strayed from Christianity.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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