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I don't think there's much of a difference in crazy as opposed to other more mainstream religions. Vivien Send a noteboard - 04/10/2011 07:08:06 PM
I know some mormons (I might even be related to some mormons) and I'm pretty sure I've never heard any sort of opinion like that before.


Why would they talk about something like this? Do you hear your run of the mill christian or jew discuss the curse of Ham? I really don't see that much difference, except the fact the mormons came around relatively recently so their "origin myths" are much more open to verification/validation and of course ridiculule. For example: you can say that Joseph Smith was a con man but how do you know that Jesus Christ wasn't?

Then again, the curse of Ham being used to justify slavery was much less in vogue around the time of Joseph Smith so actually this is something the mormon church should be embarrassed about.

I love this paragraph on wikipedia:

"After the death of Joseph Smith, Jr., Brigham Young, the church's second president, taught that Black Africans were under the curse of Ham, although the day would come when the curse would be nullified through the saving powers of Jesus Christ.[84] In addition, based on his interpretation of the Book of Abraham, Young believed that as a result of this curse Negroes were banned from the Mormon Priesthood,[85] but in 1978 Spencer W. Kimball claimed he received a revelation that extended the Priesthood to all worthy males.[86]"

WORTHY MALES is key.

Any guesses on when the curse on Eve will be lifted?
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I don't think there's much of a difference in crazy as opposed to other more mainstream religions. Vivien - 04/10/2011 07:08:06 PM 1144 Views
A difference exists if only in continued unabashed affirmation of a rather distasteful doctrine. Joel - 04/10/2011 11:06:51 PM 1141 Views
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It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1184 Views
I think we've had this discussion before. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM 1175 Views
Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 1074 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1403 Views
I had not realized it was that late, but used it only as an example of multitudinous controversies. Joel - 07/10/2011 01:03:56 AM 1513 Views
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I was just saying there were competing views. Gher - 07/10/2011 07:49:26 PM 1532 Views
Oh, there were definitely competing views, just not competing Christian views. Joel - 07/10/2011 09:26:22 PM 1041 Views
That sounds really nice. Vivien - 04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM 1142 Views
Why wait though? Joel - 05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM 1298 Views
So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM 592 Views
Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 1108 Views
I really want an answer from a mormon. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM 1143 Views
Good luck with that; just because I can see no explanation save that I offered does not preclude one Joel - 06/10/2011 07:03:50 AM 1037 Views
Yeah, that's what I thought. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM 1063 Views
I'm satisfied by that explanation. Vivien - 06/10/2011 08:51:15 PM 1307 Views
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Took the words right out of my mouth, repeatedly. Joel - 04/10/2011 12:49:13 PM 1294 Views
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True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 1059 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1155 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1258 Views
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Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1288 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 1059 Views
The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1194 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 1130 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1235 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 1079 Views
Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? *NM* Dan - 04/10/2011 03:58:16 AM 717 Views
Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1197 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 1122 Views
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