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I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. nossy Send a noteboard - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM
If people really want to be offended though they should be offended by the fact that we spend twice the much money on breast cancer research as we do on prostate cancer even though close to the same number of people die from both. But that is another debate of course.

All true.

Like it or not we outspend on breast cancer because the campaign to support it has been so successful. Fear of breast cancer is an issue that unites women no matter their race, religion or politics. Sending money to an organization best known for doing abortions poisons that well.

And that they sue other charities who attempt to use the words "for the cure" or the color pink, but that's neither here nor there.

It only "poisons the well" for the people who look at it that way. At this point, there are probably just as many (if not more) women who feel that a clinic that provides low-cost cancer screenings (etc) is an important investment.

It doesn’t really matter how the money is spent, there a lot of women out there who would rather burn their money than let it go to Planned Parenthood. Take my aunt for example, my uncle runs an oil company and all she does is spend money and do charity work. If it is a cause she believes in or one that she believes is sheik, she would have no problem dropping a grand to enter a bike race supporting it. Not only that but she can call twenty or so of her dearest friends and they will show up as well. Let them think that even a penny of that money is being spent on abortions and they will shun your event and tell all their friends to do the same and my aunt will be happy spending her money on $100 flip-flops and organic facial cream. She is very health conscious and has great insurance, she will get her screening either way.

That is also true; however, just as your aunt exists and chooses her charities, there are others who do the same for the PP side. I mean, $400,000 was raised immediately after the news came out. They can't have everyone, but when politics plays a bigger role than finding a cure, we're getting skewed.

If they were raising money for women's productive health then it would be foolish to not give money to PP but since that isn't their goal it was foolish to let their happy fell feel good movement that everyone from the NFL to Target supports be dragged into one of the most divisive issues in the country. If Komen isn't staying up nights trying to find a way to gracefully break the link with PP and all of its political baggage she should be fired for incompetence. Her job is to raise money and to stay the hell away from political causes that will hurt that goal.

Not really. Their job is to raise money to help women gain awareness and to monitor the state of their health (breast cancer screenings and referrals for mammograms) and use that money wisely to try to find a cure. If too many concessions are made for politics, they're failing. I also read that they have ceased funding for stem cell research, which is also political and against what they expressly claim to be for.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) nossy - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2488 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing beetnemesis - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1359 Views
I agree. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1243 Views
I can understand it though. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1322 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1246 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1235 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1195 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1316 Views
That is a little unfair. Joel - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1555 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1292 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. nossy - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1203 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1216 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? Ray - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1249 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1225 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... Joel - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1303 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1383 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." Joel - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1294 Views
Oh please. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1248 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. Joel - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 1106 Views
Quite a telling reply. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1217 Views
Re: I quite agree. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1408 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1235 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1279 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1556 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1311 Views
You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1397 Views
No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source." Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM 1328 Views
The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM 1387 Views
Well, yes. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1344 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1214 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. nossy - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1329 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1217 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* nossy - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 721 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Joel - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1385 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1246 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 1074 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1260 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1198 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1331 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1449 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1285 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1308 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1391 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1277 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1607 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1270 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1514 Views
There are problems with the implants LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1271 Views
Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM 1291 Views
Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM 601 Views
You have a talent for understatement. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1274 Views
What on earth does that have to do with anything? Cannoli - 03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM 1181 Views
I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM 1243 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart Ray - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1433 Views
I agree. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1216 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other Ray - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1260 Views
Right nossy - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1301 Views
it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses Ray - 02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM 1167 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1227 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? nossy - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1144 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1271 Views
I know I'm not always clear. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1246 Views
Just curious... Narg - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1218 Views
Not at all. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1261 Views
Not at all? Narg - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1176 Views
No. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 1113 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1214 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes nossy - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1213 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks Ray - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1201 Views
Ooor, the best. nossy - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1187 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* Ray - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 714 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 660 Views
rabble rouser *NM* Ray - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 729 Views
I misread this at first Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1225 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2269 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. nossy - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1158 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it Ray - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1237 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1184 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... Legolas - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1283 Views
You don't know stuff. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1265 Views
I know the stuff that matters. Legolas - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1157 Views
That's true. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1269 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN Ray - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1304 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. Aeryn - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1346 Views
did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective Ray - 03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM 1267 Views
The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM 745 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me Lews_TherinThelamon - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1293 Views
Must be nice. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 746 Views
Re: stuff rebelaessedai - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1158 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1220 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1301 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that LadyLorraine - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1158 Views
Fair enough. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1306 Views
Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM 1281 Views
Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. nossy - 02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM 1152 Views
After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right. Joel - 03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM 1100 Views
They restored funding incidentally Isaac - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1180 Views
Unless I've missed it nossy - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1238 Views
You must have missed it then Isaac - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1186 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli nossy - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1349 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words Isaac - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1206 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. nossy - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1239 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. Isaac - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1451 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. nossy - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1276 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. Isaac - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1231 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision random thoughts - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1349 Views
Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision Isaac - 03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM 1137 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1192 Views
Truth Dannymac - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1240 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1175 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort Isaac - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1233 Views
Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM 1268 Views
Judge for yourself Isaac - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM 1292 Views
Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM 1214 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? random thoughts - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1337 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1172 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened Ray - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1247 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1278 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker Ray - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1206 Views
Dude. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 1089 Views
Yo mama? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1280 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy nossy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1268 Views
Why would I not think that? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 1112 Views
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