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If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM
Implanon and IUDs both last for years at a time, and have sub-1% failure rates. I am not sure how readily PP provides these, but they are definitely solutions to the biggest problem of birth control, which is human error.

If the healthcare law and the DHHS ruling classifying birth control as preventive care both stand, all of these will soon be available to everyone with no copay. (Of course, the "pro-life" movement is fighting this tooth and nail, because preventing abortions isn't really their primary goal.)


I don't think they see the link between that and preventing unplanned pregnancy though, unless they only want to allow for abstinence as the route to that.


If they haven't looked, then they're not serious about what they claim is their overriding goal, which is my point.

Yes, most of them only want to support abstinence. That's because the "pro-life" movement is really about enforcing specific, oppressive sexual mores.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) nossy - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2405 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing beetnemesis - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1285 Views
I agree. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1167 Views
I can understand it though. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1249 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1170 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1167 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1125 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1231 Views
That is a little unfair. Joel - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1462 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1214 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. nossy - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1139 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1131 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? Ray - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1185 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1148 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... Joel - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1225 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1304 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." Joel - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1219 Views
Oh please. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1168 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. Joel - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 1042 Views
Quite a telling reply. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1140 Views
Re: I quite agree. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1338 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1148 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1217 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1475 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1238 Views
You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1329 Views
No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source." Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM 1251 Views
The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM 1313 Views
Well, yes. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1236 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1156 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. nossy - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1258 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1144 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* nossy - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 688 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Joel - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1311 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1157 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 1004 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1183 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1126 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1258 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1357 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1209 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1227 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1322 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1207 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1528 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1183 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1443 Views
There are problems with the implants LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1195 Views
Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM 1211 Views
Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM 558 Views
You have a talent for understatement. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1197 Views
What on earth does that have to do with anything? Cannoli - 03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM 1120 Views
I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM 1159 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart Ray - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1337 Views
I agree. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1123 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other Ray - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1169 Views
Right nossy - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1228 Views
it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses Ray - 02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM 1093 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1161 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? nossy - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1074 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1177 Views
I know I'm not always clear. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1157 Views
Just curious... Narg - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1143 Views
Not at all. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1206 Views
Not at all? Narg - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1108 Views
No. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 1045 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1142 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes nossy - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1138 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks Ray - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1118 Views
Ooor, the best. nossy - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1104 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* Ray - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 670 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 624 Views
rabble rouser *NM* Ray - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 690 Views
I misread this at first Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1162 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2200 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. nossy - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1083 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it Ray - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1154 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1104 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... Legolas - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1212 Views
You don't know stuff. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1197 Views
I know the stuff that matters. Legolas - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1082 Views
That's true. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1194 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN Ray - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1232 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. Aeryn - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1278 Views
did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective Ray - 03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM 1188 Views
The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM 716 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me Lews_TherinThelamon - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1216 Views
Must be nice. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 719 Views
Re: stuff rebelaessedai - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1083 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1144 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1225 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that LadyLorraine - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1083 Views
Fair enough. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1230 Views
Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM 1191 Views
Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. nossy - 02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM 1090 Views
After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right. Joel - 03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM 1030 Views
They restored funding incidentally Isaac - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1098 Views
Unless I've missed it nossy - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1163 Views
You must have missed it then Isaac - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1102 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli nossy - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1261 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words Isaac - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1143 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. nossy - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1175 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. Isaac - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1356 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. nossy - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1207 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. Isaac - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1159 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision random thoughts - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1280 Views
Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision Isaac - 03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM 1055 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1095 Views
Truth Dannymac - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1185 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1092 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort Isaac - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1163 Views
Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM 1207 Views
Judge for yourself Isaac - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM 1223 Views
Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM 1133 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? random thoughts - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1243 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1103 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened Ray - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1175 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1188 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker Ray - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1116 Views
Dude. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 1010 Views
Yo mama? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1213 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy nossy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1182 Views
Why would I not think that? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 1035 Views
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