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If you're referring to Cannoli nossy Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM
Sharing personal views of abortion beyond stating I am X invariably involves commenting on the ethics of abortion. And there are some fairly big whoppers in terms of outright insult or disparagement of the opposition, I believe you when you say you missed them, but that hardly removes them, and I can't judge if you just didn't read them or read them and didn't see them. They're there though, Joel caught two of them himself, and I assure you that if Joel and I are in agreement about someone drifting over the line, odds the objection is legit even if the flavor or nature of our objections might differ.

then I will have missed the majority of his post. I opened it, saw it was typical cannoli and immediately left it alone. Of course he's entitled to think whatever he wants, but I don't have to pay attention to him if he cannot act like a reasonable adult. I'm sure you're correct to feel slightly offended, but then I think it's time to say something to him. What you did do was to come into a mostly reasonable and civil discussion on a real issue, and try to make us feel guilty about having included personal stances and opinions. That is not very nice, imo.

I also think people need the occasional reminder that, much like sneering at paparazzi while reading the tabloids, just because something pops up in the news doesn't mean it really entitles them -morally - to render judgments, legally of course they may, as may I upon them. You may or may not agree that this is such a case, and I do not claim it is an extreme example, but I do believe some in this thread also exceeded their moral authority to condone or condemn.

You certainly have the right to your opinion, but I don't agree fully. I think citizens have the right to comment on anything they want. They don't have to be listened to, but they are fully free to weigh in.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) nossy - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2284 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing beetnemesis - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1190 Views
I agree. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1084 Views
I can understand it though. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1147 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1063 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1070 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1031 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1124 Views
That is a little unfair. Joel - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1334 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1116 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. nossy - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1052 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1033 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? Ray - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1081 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1055 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... Joel - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1106 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1197 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." Joel - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1109 Views
Oh please. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1071 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. Joel - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 945 Views
Quite a telling reply. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1027 Views
Re: I quite agree. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1233 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1044 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1086 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1339 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1138 Views
You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1199 Views
No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source." Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM 1126 Views
The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM 1156 Views
Well, yes. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1115 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1063 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. nossy - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1156 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1061 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* nossy - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 629 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Joel - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1191 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1037 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 907 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1081 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1026 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1151 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1242 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1101 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1124 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1197 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1104 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1406 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1067 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1320 Views
There are problems with the implants LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1089 Views
Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM 1107 Views
Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM 508 Views
You have a talent for understatement. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1073 Views
What on earth does that have to do with anything? Cannoli - 03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM 1015 Views
I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM 1052 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart Ray - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1227 Views
I agree. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 999 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other Ray - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1067 Views
Right nossy - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1130 Views
it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses Ray - 02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM 985 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1060 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? nossy - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 979 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1047 Views
I know I'm not always clear. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1055 Views
Just curious... Narg - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1038 Views
Not at all. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1105 Views
Not at all? Narg - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 992 Views
No. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 952 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1049 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes nossy - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1044 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks Ray - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1026 Views
Ooor, the best. nossy - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 998 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* Ray - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 622 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 573 Views
rabble rouser *NM* Ray - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 632 Views
I misread this at first Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1050 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2099 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. nossy - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 988 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it Ray - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1055 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1003 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... Legolas - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1112 Views
You don't know stuff. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1080 Views
I know the stuff that matters. Legolas - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 984 Views
That's true. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1088 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN Ray - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1134 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. Aeryn - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1159 Views
did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective Ray - 03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM 1082 Views
The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM 677 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me Lews_TherinThelamon - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1106 Views
Must be nice. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 679 Views
Re: stuff rebelaessedai - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1005 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1037 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1055 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that LadyLorraine - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 996 Views
Fair enough. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1054 Views
Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM 1090 Views
Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. nossy - 02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM 999 Views
After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right. Joel - 03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM 942 Views
They restored funding incidentally Isaac - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 994 Views
Unless I've missed it nossy - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1064 Views
You must have missed it then Isaac - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 990 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli nossy - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1149 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words Isaac - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1035 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. nossy - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1056 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. Isaac - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1249 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. nossy - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1074 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. Isaac - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1039 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision random thoughts - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1179 Views
Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision Isaac - 03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM 956 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 992 Views
Truth Dannymac - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1096 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 994 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort Isaac - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1050 Views
Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM 1104 Views
Judge for yourself Isaac - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM 1109 Views
Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM 1034 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? random thoughts - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1124 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1017 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened Ray - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1051 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1083 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker Ray - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 998 Views
Dude. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 916 Views
Yo mama? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1088 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy nossy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1078 Views
Why would I not think that? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 945 Views
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