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Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM
I never got the impression any lawmakers applied any pressure either way, at least not in official capacity. I doubt anyone could spend as much time in Bush 43s administration as Nancy Brinker did without acquiring a few far right friends (or have been named an Ambassador by Bush without already having plenty,) but that is not the same as a Congressman applying pressure AS a Congressman rather than a friend and/or ally.

Oh, I'm entirely sure pressure was applied, likely from all sorts and sides. Incidentally "Update II - Komen: Future Funding not assured". So witness that they are now in utter meltdown mode and I'm guessing their attempts to appease everyone will backfire horribly, not that I blame them.

Trying to appease all sides is usually a spectacular failure; one would have thought Obama had proven that (as big a football fan as he supposedly is one would have thought someone told him to dance with the one who brung him; oh, well.) At this point, their best bet is probably to shut up for a while and let things die down a bit before any more statements, since anything and everything they say now will just make it worse. The rule, though it can be demanding of ones discipline, is that when in a hole one should STOP DIGGING.

I'm only citing the article though Fox isn't the only one saying that, but the rumor mill has it a lot of lobbyists made a lotta lotta phone calls. The official specifics, which was mentioned at the bottom of the article, were 26 senators writing to ask them to reconsider. And that personally bugs me, I like to think I'd say the same if 26 GOP senators had written them to ask them to stop, and I probably would have, but who knows? But it is that letter I have issues with, even though I'm sure it was entirely polite. Not that I don't think politicians should utterly avoid criticizing or involving themselves with charities but that's a bit extreme for a fairly unconnected matter, IMHO.

Maybe I am cutting it too finely, but it makes a difference to me whether they used stamps or franking privileges. Senators should be allowed personal feelings and personal appeals apart from their offices so long as they do not involve the office. It sounds like these did, which would make it political pressure; not sure though.

My own impression (nothing more) is Nancy Brinker had intended the break with Planned Parenthood for a while and thought the House investigation (which even the Komens statement calls "political" and explicitly denies is "criminal") plus a timely new "rule" gave her cover to do so. Again, apparently she was mistaken.

So, I agree with you: Politicizing a charity is bad for the charity. My guess is all the Komen executives who resigned in the last 24 hours agree also.

Well, I hate to criticize them but as I said to Ray, piper, dues. I regret that this happened but I consider this something of an inevitable consequence to pushing a charity that hard and visibly over the years, KFC aside, I really do worry that our tendency to have pop causes distracts from equally important work, but I'd also guess the net money raised for the collective cause is higher than if they hadn't. No, I'm not so much beating on anyone for what happened, even the various politicos and pundits who jumped in, just bemoaning, as I said, the inevitability of the jackals getting in the door once the whiff of power and influence emerge.

Nature of the beast, but Komen set themselves up for it. Again, we should not pretend the decision happened in a vacuum. Also once again, I am forced to wonder why Komen bothered funding cancer screenings at Planned Parenthood in the first place since it seems to have made this day inevitable. Perhaps it was not inevitable from the start, but a certain small but vocal element within a certain political party made it so due to that partys connections with Komens founder. In that event, I am back to my last response to rt: However this ends, whether it was a political matter was decided the moment Komen made their first announcement (and the subsequent one you linked pretty much says that outright, without stating specific causes.)
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) nossy - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2329 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing beetnemesis - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1223 Views
I agree. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 1118 Views
I can understand it though. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1186 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. nossy - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 1107 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 1106 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 1069 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1158 Views
That is a little unfair. Joel - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1376 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1147 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. nossy - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 1089 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 1073 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? Ray - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 1121 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 1089 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... Joel - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1143 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1230 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." Joel - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1146 Views
Oh please. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 1102 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. Joel - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 987 Views
Quite a telling reply. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 1068 Views
Re: I quite agree. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1273 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 1077 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 1127 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1397 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1176 Views
You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1256 Views
No, I got the point: You expect me to accept a heavily biased, partisan and combative "source." Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:37 AM 1168 Views
The claim of brain waves at 8 weeks is still unsupported by evidence, i.e. a myth. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 09:16:14 PM 1227 Views
Well, yes. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1154 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 1105 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. nossy - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1192 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 1097 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* nossy - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 650 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Joel - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1239 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 1081 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 945 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 1118 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. Joel - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 1067 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1189 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1276 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1140 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1161 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1260 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1142 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1466 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Joel - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 1105 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. Dreaded Anomaly - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1380 Views
There are problems with the implants LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 1127 Views
Any form of birth control doesn't work for everyone, though. Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 02:37:00 AM 1146 Views
Oh yes, I totally agree! My point is just that there are some barriers to handing out implants *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 03:38:05 AM 525 Views
You have a talent for understatement. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 1109 Views
What on earth does that have to do with anything? Cannoli - 03/02/2012 01:47:42 AM 1056 Views
I was actually kinda with you until you closed with that anathema I condemned in my response to rt. Joel - 03/02/2012 01:39:06 PM 1093 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart Ray - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1265 Views
I agree. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 1043 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other Ray - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 1103 Views
Right nossy - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1162 Views
it is a judgment call and I hope her decision is based on more than my guesses Ray - 02/02/2012 06:53:50 PM 1023 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 1100 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? nossy - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 1016 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 1093 Views
I know I'm not always clear. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 1089 Views
Just curious... Narg - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 1076 Views
Not at all. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1143 Views
Not at all? Narg - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 1035 Views
No. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 985 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 1085 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes nossy - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 1079 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks Ray - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 1060 Views
Ooor, the best. nossy - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 1039 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* Ray - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 639 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 591 Views
rabble rouser *NM* Ray - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 654 Views
I misread this at first Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 1085 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post Ray - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2131 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. nossy - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 1019 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it Ray - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 1097 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 1032 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... Legolas - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1145 Views
You don't know stuff. nossy - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 1110 Views
I know the stuff that matters. Legolas - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 1021 Views
That's true. nossy - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 1127 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN Ray - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1170 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. Aeryn - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1224 Views
did you notice I called tactic disgusting? That doesn't mean it isn't effective Ray - 03/02/2012 12:45:10 AM 1118 Views
The investigation by Congress is well-known to be specious. It's the House GOP abusing their power. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 03/02/2012 12:41:58 AM 693 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me Lews_TherinThelamon - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1139 Views
Must be nice. *NM* nossy - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 694 Views
Re: stuff rebelaessedai - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 1040 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" LadyLorraine - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 1075 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 1154 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that LadyLorraine - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 1030 Views
Fair enough. rebelaessedai - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 1150 Views
Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. Joel - 02/02/2012 10:54:34 PM 1128 Views
Re: Once I looked up Nancy Brinker at Wikipedia it all made sense. nossy - 02/02/2012 11:03:32 PM 1038 Views
After a little more digging I have to say you are probably right. Joel - 03/02/2012 02:23:14 AM 973 Views
They restored funding incidentally Isaac - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 1041 Views
Unless I've missed it nossy - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 1101 Views
You must have missed it then Isaac - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 1030 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli nossy - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1190 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words Isaac - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 1073 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. nossy - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 1089 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. Isaac - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1284 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. nossy - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 1119 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. Isaac - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 1080 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision random thoughts - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1213 Views
Re: well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision Isaac - 03/02/2012 06:29:34 PM 1000 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 1031 Views
Truth Dannymac - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1125 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. Joel - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 1027 Views
Beyond the 26 senators, I'd imagine rumor of the more reliable sort Isaac - 03/02/2012 08:46:31 PM 1086 Views
Well, if they wrote AS senators rather than friends of Nancy Brinker, that probably qualifies. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:24:11 PM 1144 Views
Judge for yourself Isaac - 04/02/2012 12:01:06 AM 1149 Views
Well, a public letter makes whether they signed it "Sen. so-and-so" irrelevant: It is political. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:07:20 PM 1066 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? random thoughts - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1165 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. Joel - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 1058 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened Ray - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 1095 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. Joel - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 1124 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker Ray - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 1036 Views
Dude. nossy - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 953 Views
Yo mama? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 1132 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy nossy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 1121 Views
Why would I not think that? Joel - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 986 Views
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