I always forget that it is popular to argue that such a thing doesn't really exist. In this particular case, it is very much a silent majority. If someone is pro-life, he/she isn't usually going to trumpet it about to other pro-life friends that he/she has his/her child on birth control, but the reality is that many parents realize the need (and at the heart of it, simply want their children to be smart about sex ). There are religious and political ideals and then there is real life.



What observation? The political fight you see isn't usually indicative of what is happening in people's homes.


They say that because that is typically the center-point of the argument. Imo, you have skewed this to fit what you want to say. Of course there are some who are still puritanical about sex, but mostly you're looking at people who are trying to make some simple decisions (with religion as a guide, not the ultimate goal): do I believe it's a life? At which stage? And if it is, are we killing it? Is that ok? No? Then I am not pro-choice. Obviously, your personal answers to those questions are different, but that does not invalidate all other positions.

If you think that's bunk, fine. Regardless, at some point, you're going to have to accept that just because you're capable of thinking of a zygote as somehow outside the development cycle of a human being, that doesn't mean that everyone will agree. Or just never bother to get in these discussions, because you're not even trying not to be offensive.


That isn't true at all. How do you even feel comfortable claiming that every person who is pro-life doesn't care or donate to any sort of -natal care or research? That is silly. Any "movement" is much more than you appear to have looked into this - for example, there are doctors who are pro-life. Actual doctors with degrees and licenses, who also happen to be active in the pro-life cause. Are you suggesting that none of them do any work affect anything from miscarriages to infant mortality?


There is a sound argument; you aren't accepting it. That's fine, but I think you need to open your eyes if you want to have a place in the conversation. With someone else... you've taken this thread exactly where I didn't want it to go.