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I was just talking to Lupine about how I like your posts, but I'm gonna make an exception here. Legolas Send a noteboard - 23/02/2010 09:28:44 PM
Considering the government of Iran has publicly espoused genocide and denied the holocaust, the best that might be said of them ethically is they might truly believe in such stuff. People who, in the name of ruthless pragmatism, are willing to rile people up on genocide are certainly just as likely as true believers to be willing to engage in it, I think not believing in such things and using it as a political tool is probably worse than actually believing it and doing so.

Publicly proclaiming stupid nonsense and knowing it is the speciality of not just the current Iranian regime, but the large majority of the Arab regimes as well, as I'm sure I don't need to tell you. In Iran's case, you might want to consider the defensive (yes, defensive, not offensive) strategic considerations behind those statements - and behind the attempts to gain a nuclear warhead. Iran gains nothing by trying to attack Israel, and loses everything, and they know it very well. But threatening talk, besides keeping certain parts of the population happy, also serves to deter attacks on Iran - deterrence can work both ways. If Iran has a nuke that can hit Tel Aviv, that would be a serious deterrant against any attempt by the US or Israel to employ military means against Iran, for whatever reasons. They lose far more than they gain if they actually *employ* nuclear weapons, but to merely have them would gain them a significant advantage - or, looking at it from their point of view, restore some balance to the situation.
Bombing their installations would do more than delay it for a few years, and obviously a full-blown invasion would too. Making nuclear weapons is tricky, not because people don't know how to make them, the physics behind a nuclear bomb, the theory, is relatively simple and not a secret. Getting weapons grade Uranium or plutonium is not. They could rebuild centrifuges in a few years, they'd have to acquire new uranium, and they would also know that the even the most apparently anti-war POTUS the US is likely to have for some time is willing to bomb them again if they continue, or take more stern measures.

Here I'll just refer you to Jen's reply.
If Israel's large nuclear arsenal has not made Egypt seek its own nukes -- even though that country has fought and lost three wars with Israel -- it is unclear to me why an Iranian bomb would.

Probably because Egypt's leaders don't sit around calling for the obliteration of Israel constantly.

And here you seem to misread Zakaria completely - your comment doesn't actually make any sense in reaction to that sentence, quite aside from whether or not one agrees with you.
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Why Iran's dictators can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:31:52 PM 813 Views
Not sure he showed us how they can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:56:42 PM 355 Views
Er yeah, that's totally the argument I was going for. - 23/02/2010 02:06:52 PM 399 Views
No Palin was simply cover for the "we just have to accept Iran will get the bomb argument" - 23/02/2010 02:26:45 PM 425 Views
She wasn't cover for anything, but I like how this argument keeps going that way. - 23/02/2010 02:36:47 PM 404 Views
As I have noted it isn't conseratives that keep bring her up - 23/02/2010 03:26:11 PM 351 Views
and I tried to take her out of the argument. But here we are. - 23/02/2010 03:39:29 PM 385 Views
dealing with the repercussions of attacking another Islamic country may be our best option - 23/02/2010 04:25:47 PM 482 Views
The world needs to decide how it feels about non-proliferation. - 23/02/2010 07:11:51 PM 322 Views
yes American used the bomb so now we should let everyone else take a turn *NM* - 24/02/2010 06:22:23 AM 212 Views
It would certainly demonstrate the folly of that view. - 24/02/2010 06:49:56 AM 376 Views
well hell then why not just sel them nukes and get it over with - 24/02/2010 02:33:00 PM 375 Views
I really don't think the folly need be demonstrated more than once. - 28/02/2010 02:49:30 AM 309 Views
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It's a classic, you should. - 28/02/2010 06:19:21 PM 439 Views
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I think this guy lives on the moon - 23/02/2010 02:51:20 PM 466 Views
Ehm. I disagree strongly with your opinion of Mr. Zakaria. - 23/02/2010 03:23:09 PM 472 Views
Views on him tend to be polar - 23/02/2010 04:06:04 PM 516 Views
I was just talking to Lupine about how I like your posts, but I'm gonna make an exception here. - 23/02/2010 09:28:44 PM 427 Views
You'll have to link that then, I always like to read things that feed my ego - 24/02/2010 12:17:37 AM 425 Views
Oh, it was on AIM. - 24/02/2010 01:13:07 PM 494 Views
Should've been on wotmania Skype chat. - 25/02/2010 12:47:42 PM 348 Views
Here's an article in response to Zakaria's article - 23/02/2010 03:19:41 PM 464 Views
I like that article, actually. - 23/02/2010 03:58:39 PM 355 Views
Re: I like that article, actually. - 23/02/2010 04:22:27 PM 358 Views
I don't believe they can be stopped - 23/02/2010 10:37:47 PM 358 Views
One thing he forgets... - 24/02/2010 12:19:12 AM 383 Views
Iran is a thorny problem - 24/02/2010 05:38:09 AM 390 Views
I still don't believe North Korea harmless. - 24/02/2010 06:59:15 AM 488 Views
I never used the term 'harmless' - 24/02/2010 10:01:14 PM 423 Views
Fair point, sorry. - 25/02/2010 12:45:47 PM 460 Views
No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 25/02/2010 05:19:10 PM 356 Views
Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 28/02/2010 02:30:26 AM 487 Views
Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 01/03/2010 03:53:58 PM 367 Views
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It's not a carrot/stick thing at all - 02/03/2010 04:29:00 PM 460 Views
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They can hit Tokyo - 25/02/2010 06:10:44 PM 385 Views
So? - 25/02/2010 07:01:37 PM 533 Views
I think you are grossly overestimating our border security - 25/02/2010 08:03:13 PM 318 Views
Well, I KNOW you're ignorant about a lot of things and this shows it. - 25/02/2010 08:56:45 PM 379 Views
Yes you are the Great Cold War Warrior of the chairforce - 28/02/2010 06:44:31 PM 434 Views
Oh I'm sorry - so you're not so much ignorant as idiot. - 01/03/2010 03:48:32 PM 315 Views
Is that what taught you in chairforce school loser boy? - 01/03/2010 04:33:53 PM 409 Views
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Israel does not have the military capability to destroy or significantly damage Iran's nuclear sites - 24/02/2010 12:33:00 PM 468 Views
I agree, even if for different reasons. - 24/02/2010 01:01:00 PM 324 Views
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - and it shows to anyone who does - 24/02/2010 10:33:29 PM 422 Views
But... - 25/02/2010 12:44:15 AM 459 Views
Re: But... - 25/02/2010 05:52:07 PM 554 Views
Here's a few questions for you then. - 25/02/2010 02:55:00 AM 498 Views
You're not asking questions you're trying to support your point - 25/02/2010 06:49:28 PM 438 Views
I think this ties in well with this article - 25/02/2010 09:56:04 AM 383 Views
That's actually a really good idea - 25/02/2010 07:05:37 PM 319 Views

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