"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters"
Isaac Send a noteboard - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM
Then again, as you said, the ACLU would almost certainly defend all the people you're talking about, and they're rather well known for leaning to the left.
Well, the analogous case here would be Tyler Chase Harper in '04, who wore to school a T-shirt saying "Homosexuality is shameful - Romans 1:27" and "Be ashamed, our school has embraced what God condemned." the day after the Day of Silence against homophobia. The ACLU was surprisingly silent themselves on the matter, even though they handled two similar incidents nearby. They did eventually get involved but not until they'd been kicked in the teeth about hypocrisy. Been a lot of cases like that too, which is how they got their not-entirely-deserved rep for being color-blind unless the colors were red or blue.
EDIT: It's worth noting that I don't know of any liberals who would actively campaign for the expulsion of a student protesting abortion. That whole "defend to the death your right to say it" thing is pretty strong on the left, along with the "and then I'll accuse you of being bigoted for disagreeing with me" that's sometimes tacked on to the end. 

It's pretty strong on the right too, with a track record of around 150 years, nobody changed our platform on the matter, with notable republicans for civil liberties being President Lincoln and Dr. King. Our track record on it has been a bit different though, as the usual republican attitude on civil liberties these days could be best summed up with our happy motto 'If you're gonna burn the flag, please wrap yourself in it first', which is to say by and large the left and right tend to have the same opinions on a lot of it, except a lot of people on the left tend to get teary-eyed and advocate the 'victim' as a hero, and the right tends to tack in the wind more on the 'We freely support this ignorant dirtbag's right wear a swastika on his shirt while wandering around Harlem, and we certainly will prosecute his various murderers, assuming they are found, as we expect the police will understandably be devoting their energies to more important cases than what amounts to assisted suicide'.
The default right-wing take on this girl's case tends to be rather unsympathetic. Girl wants to go to prom with other girl, she's either a dateless wonder or a lesbian, who cares? Oh, she's making a political statement, great, so the statements more important to her than the prom, since she could easily have attended with another girl and simply not have said anything to raise a fuss. Common courtesy says keep the politics away from a major emotional event of most teens lives. If the prom was important to her the way it is to most people, she would have just gone with her date and no one would have stopped her, instead she's decided to throw a self-righteous fit and disrupt everyone else's experience when she likely could have aired her views on this left and right all day long without objection from the school board and either attended anyway or simply not have gone out of protest. There's a difference between protesting a war and protesting a war at a military funeral, although the ACLU happens to believe otherwise on that too.
Hence sympathy for her is going to be rather limited, regardless of whether one happens to like or dislike the school board which probably was not sitting around saying "I ain't not gonna have no darn Dyke showing her sinner face at our school." Personally I don't approve of minors being given much leeway to protest. I'm also a big believer in school uniforms and gender-segregated middle and high schools, so my reasoning on these sorts of things tends to be different, I couldn't give a snot if a lesbian attends a prom, open or otherwise they've been doing for as long as we've had them after all, and her choice of apparel, so long as it meets the standards of decency, means nothing to me. Her decision to disrupt, as a minor, an event attended by other minors, to the point of taking legal action, doesn't meet with much approval from me, she is not a modern day Rosa Parks. Fighting for your principle is an honorable and time-honored tradition, but one is unlikely to garner much sympathy from me when doing it in what I view as a petty fashion. Writing a letter to the school board and a guest column in the paper then attending anyway in a dress would have been classier and wiser too, especially in adults vs minor, showing maturity and restraint tends to win more support than filing a lawsuit, and if one's goal is to actually change things, instead of just get attention and be seen as a heroine of civil rights, that would have been the better course.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date
11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM
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Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM*
12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM
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This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage.
12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM
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Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with.
12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM
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Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with.
12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM
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What???
12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM
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Actually...
12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM
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Oh, it is definitely self-defense.
12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM
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That analogy is not apt.
12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM
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Er...
12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM
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I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt.
12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM
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12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM
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I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt."
12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM
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That's right, I forgot to add that.
12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM
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It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say?
12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM
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Re: That analogy is not apt.
12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM
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It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong.
12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM
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Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage.
12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM
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Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile?
12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM
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actually, i thought i read that it was because she wanted to wear a tux instead of a dress
12/03/2010 02:46:00 AM
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Kind of a different can of worms then
12/03/2010 03:20:35 AM
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What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over.
14/03/2010 01:24:47 AM
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Hmm. Apparently it is legal to discriminate upon the basis of gender. Imagine that.
14/03/2010 02:45:51 AM
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It kind of makes sense, given the highly arbitrary and stereotypical nature of gender.
14/03/2010 03:35:44 AM
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Re: What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over.
15/03/2010 02:01:00 AM
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It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO
12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM
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Maybe.
12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM
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"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters"
12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM
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As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here.
12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM
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Just giving the benefit of the doubt...
12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM
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Re: "Pursuing their ideology"
12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM
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Re: "Pursuing their ideology"
12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM
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That wasn't the impression I was under
12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM
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Re: That wasn't the impression I was under
13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM
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Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux"
15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM
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For the record...
12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM
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Re: For the record...
12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM
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Re: For the record...
12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM
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Re: For the record...
12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM
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No no, I know how you feel. I'm just disinclined to have sympathy for the school.
12/03/2010 11:28:35 PM
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Alternatively, I have little sympathy for the school, I just don't have much for her either
12/03/2010 11:56:08 PM
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Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit?
12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM
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Regardless of "rights" invovled, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to go as she pleases.
12/03/2010 05:25:31 PM
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When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend
12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM
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Another thing I think people should remember -
12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM
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One point though
12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM
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Re: One point though
12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM
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My point was that it was a hollow reassurance
12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM
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yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much?
13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM
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Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else
13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM
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It does
13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM
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Re: It does
13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM
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I typically agree with you
13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM
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Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory
13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM
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Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory
15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM
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Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory
15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM
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He wasn't neccessarily advocating it. He was translating what they were doing into something that
16/03/2010 01:37:59 AM
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I'd argue that that kind of hypocrisy is invaluable in today's world, actually.
16/03/2010 01:46:16 AM
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Re: It does
13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM
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Re: It does
13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM
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Re: It does
13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM
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Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM*
12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM
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So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened
12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM
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