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Re: It does nossy Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM
No, it would be less disruptive than dealing with a court battle. Either way they stood up for the rules. This way was merely cheaper.

You make good points, but standing up for the rules by ignoring that they might be faulty isn't really fair to the people who may be feeling oppressed by them. It may save them money and time now, but it's highly unlikely that teachers and others responsible for education would have anything to do with the court case. I'm not sure I see how a court case is more disruptive than pissing off a bunch of kids who have likely spent a bunch of money on dresses and the like.

Maybe the prom isn't important enough for them to have to go through the hassle and costs of a court battle in order to host it by their own rules. You seem to think there are only two options...give in to strong-arming and discard the rules to avoid court battles or fight tooth and nail. Neither is something the school wanted to do. They took the third option of getting rid of the whole headache. Not pleasant for those caught in the crossfire, but certainly understandable from their point of view.

I don't necessarily think either, and it doesn't matter what I think anyway-- It's not like the argument is going away because the prom did, because now there are kids fighting to get it back. None of this gives them a quick and easy solution. The headache is not gone simply because they are trying to cancel the dance rather than address the issue. Imo, they should have addressed the issue, rather than pretend it didn't exist. I did not say they should give in, not at all.

It wasn't necessarily a cop-out, it was apparently the best option they had, given the situation, and they took it. Do you think they have endless resources for court battles just lying around? If not, do you think they should have to just give in whenever someone decided to use the courts to force them to change policies?

No, and I did not make that case at all. I said that they should address the issue, and if they cannot make a sufficient case for the way they want to run things (while being a public institution that has to function under our constitution), then maybe there is something wrong there anyway. If the dress code is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds it. If the rule about allowing kids to have same-sex dates is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds that as well. If not, then that's justice.

As for her, she doesn't get much sympathy from me. She tried to use the courts to change things to her specifications, the school pushed back, and now the prom is canceled. She ruined it for everybody because she couldn't have her way. No, it wasn't intentional, but it happened because she didn't think the potential consequences of her crusade through before embarking on it. While I can see the students being angry with the school, I can also understand them being angry with her. Maybe being in the hotseat with her classmates will get her to think things through next time. It's always good to think about the people who could get caught in the crossfire before embarking on any crusade. She didn't, and those people are now angry with her. Life lesson.

I clearly have no quarrel with you, but I'm struggling to answer this the way I want. All I'll say to this is that I'm just glad I've never had to feel as though who I was or what I wanted had no place in a "normal" society and that if I stood up for myself, I deserved all the backlash I got.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1804 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 290 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 325 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 682 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 926 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 758 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 757 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 770 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 878 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 829 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 848 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 769 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 824 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 703 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 770 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 692 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 705 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 758 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 648 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 636 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 737 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 664 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 709 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 662 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 736 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 772 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 871 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 749 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 740 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 780 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 781 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 705 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 727 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 690 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 684 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 747 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 719 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 713 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 607 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 761 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 651 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 705 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 717 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 696 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 745 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 760 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 735 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 707 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 706 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 783 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 671 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 828 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 826 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 751 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 814 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 637 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 614 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 674 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 658 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 610 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 715 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 652 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 613 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 668 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 873 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 787 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 307 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 713 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 590 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 743 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 989 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 687 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 610 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 805 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 709 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 746 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 761 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 725 Views
You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 278 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 643 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 717 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 592 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 756 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 661 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 773 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 457 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 597 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 710 Views

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