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Re: It does ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM
You make good points, but standing up for the rules by ignoring that they might be faulty isn't really fair to the people who may be feeling oppressed by them. It may save them money and time now, but it's highly unlikely that teachers and others responsible for education would have anything to do with the court case. I'm not sure I see how a court case is more disruptive than pissing off a bunch of kids who have likely spent a bunch of money on dresses and the like.


A court case is disruptive for them. The ones who would be fighting and paying for it. In addition, the media circus would likely be disruptive, as would the the loss of funds that would have otherwise gone towards the school. The loss of funds the students would have spent on clothes aren't really an issue. The school wasn't going to benefit from those funds anyway.

I don't necessarily think either, and it doesn't matter what I think anyway-- It's not like the argument is going away because the prom did, because now there are kids fighting to get it back. None of this gives them a quick and easy solution. The headache is not gone simply because they are trying to cancel the dance rather than address the issue. Imo, they should have addressed the issue, rather than pretend it didn't exist. I did not say they should give in, not at all.


And again, they maybe they couldn't afford to not give in and still have the prom. They chose what worked best for them. I'm sure they'll cross the same bridge next year when they come to it.

No, and I did not make that case at all. I said that they should address the issue, and if they cannot make a sufficient case for the way they want to run things (while being a public institution that has to function under our constitution), then maybe there is something wrong there anyway. If the dress code is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds it. If the rule about allowing kids to have same-sex dates is appropriate, a case can be made that upholds that as well. If not, then that's justice.


Once again, that's easy for you to say. You're not the one who has to pay to make that compelling case. Plenty of people with iron tight cases don't fight in court because they can't afford it. They likely weighed the pros and cons and went with what worked best. It's not the outcome most people wanted, but then, those people weren't the ones who had to host the party and pay the court costs.

I clearly have no quarrel with you, but I'm struggling to answer this the way I want. All I'll say to this is that I'm just glad I've never had to feel as though who I was or what I wanted had no place in a "normal" society and that if I stood up for myself, I deserved all the backlash I got.


See, the thing is, just because you agree with someone's particular crusade doesn't mean that they went about it in the best way. And it doesn't make someone exempt from the consequences of embarking on such a crusade. People who practice civil disobedience routinely end up in jail. People who stop traffic to protest have to put up with the jeers and honking of horns by the people whose commutes were disrupted by their actions. And people who end up getting something canceled because they wanted it "their way or the highway," have to deal with the pissed off other people who are now deprived of the event. That's life. She should have thought this out more clearly. Just because she's gay doesn't make her exempt from dealing with her pissed off peers any more than the traffic stopping protesters should be exempt from commuters shouting "F*ck you!" out their windows as they inch past.

When you protest, you take your lumps from the people you hurt. If you consider your cause worthy, then you consider them lumps worth taking. I've been there.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1900 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 314 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 357 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 722 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 977 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 809 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 813 Views
Ummmm.... no. - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 826 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 937 Views
What??? - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 887 Views
Actually... - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 904 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 816 Views
That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 878 Views
Er... - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 756 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 820 Views
... - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 746 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 766 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 817 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 711 Views
Again, you're right. - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 684 Views
Yup. - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 788 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 716 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 769 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 709 Views
Absurd. - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 790 Views
The rules were unjust. - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 820 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 924 Views
So hang on. - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 807 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 785 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 839 Views
Maybe. - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 838 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 754 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 789 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 746 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 740 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 805 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 775 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 774 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 660 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 816 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 706 Views
Your comments are inconsistent - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 765 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 764 Views
For the record... - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 764 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 810 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 821 Views
Re: For the record... - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 792 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 766 Views
Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 763 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 847 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 729 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 887 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 879 Views
One point though - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 800 Views
Re: One point though - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 867 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 697 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 665 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 727 Views
It does - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 715 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 657 Views
I typically agree with you - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 770 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 712 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 672 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 730 Views
No, it should not - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 925 Views
Re: No, it should not - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 840 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 331 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 766 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 650 Views
This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 800 Views
Re: This is definitely true - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 1041 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 751 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 670 Views
Re: It does - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 871 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 765 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 802 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 815 Views
Re: It does - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 783 Views
You make good points. *NM* - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 301 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 705 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 773 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 652 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 807 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 717 Views
They do - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 834 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 486 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 650 Views
Teenaged lesbians - 15/03/2010 06:55:12 AM 766 Views

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