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Re: This is definitely true Isaac Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM

Travel more, you'd be amazed what you consider reasonable when you've visited certain places. It gives one an amazing appreciation for how incredibly tolerant and enlightened even the 'backwaters' in this country are.



It's easy to go "grahhr America hatin on all the gays grahhhr," but while I was in southeast asia, at least, it was kind of astounding how even the more "modern" parts had stuff like "if you even mention something bad about the king, you can be locked up."



Still, that's almost irrelevant to this. If we're "enlightened" enough to not get upset over showing ankles and faces and free speech and all the rest, it's a pretty short step to going, "Oh, who cares if you're wearing a tie?"


Gotta also be enlightened enough to say 'Yeah, you're a bit out of date, and I'm definitely gonna tell you so in no uncertain terms, but this particular injustice maybe isn't worth fighting in this way'

I don't know, it seems such weird thing to debate over, she's won, for all practical purposes, it's in the public eye, she's got the lion share of sympathy, even on fairly far right sites the commentary is basically 50/50 split, mostly of the 'this is wrong' vs 'this wrong but so is the her action' type. I don't like trying to cram change down people's throats, it backfires, sometimes you have to, for real major injustices you have to stomp on people's necks, I'm just not convinced that this is one such case. That's my attitude on the gay rights aspect of this, on the dress code, really, I'm a traditionalist, people are welcome to wander around in the attire of their choice, but I really don't feel right about someone pushing into a very formal and symbolic event like this and changing the rules.
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Mississippi High School cancels Prom after Lesbian Student Wanted to Bring a Girl as Her Date Aisha - 11/03/2010 11:56:10 PM 1722 Views
Seriously, wtf is wrong with the US? *NM* Tim - 12/03/2010 12:08:32 AM 277 Views
Not ALL of the US. There were same-sex couples at my prom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 12/03/2010 12:26:24 AM 311 Views
Yeah, don't worry, I know it's not like that everywhere. Tim - 12/03/2010 09:15:43 AM 645 Views
This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 12:50:12 AM 890 Views
Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. heartbreak - 12/03/2010 02:03:32 AM 721 Views
Re: Just a few things that I know you'll proabably disagree with. Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:12:04 PM 724 Views
Ummmm.... no. Napoleon62 - 12/03/2010 11:02:50 PM 736 Views
i totally agree 100% with what you're saying moondog - 12/03/2010 02:33:55 AM 846 Views
What??? Dannymac - 12/03/2010 02:53:13 AM 795 Views
Actually... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 04:56:03 AM 809 Views
Oh, it is definitely self-defense. Dannymac - 12/03/2010 05:52:50 AM 732 Views
That analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 06:10:27 AM 783 Views
Er... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:45:05 AM 669 Views
I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 01:39:19 PM 732 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 02:05:54 PM 657 Views
I think you mean "I'm afraid that again that analogy is not apt." snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:45:23 PM 666 Views
That's right, I forgot to add that. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:23:25 PM 722 Views
It's a rather key piece of any attempted analogy, wouldn't you say? Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 03:45:15 PM 615 Views
Again, you're right. Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:59:13 PM 597 Views
Yup. Sareitha Sedai - 12/03/2010 04:02:26 PM 703 Views
Not really. Her point is that they should both be illegal. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:01:47 PM 629 Views
Re: That analogy is not apt. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:06:51 PM 674 Views
And when the school refused to change it's policy... Dragonsoul - 12/03/2010 03:25:03 PM 631 Views
Absurd. Macharius - 12/03/2010 08:27:19 PM 698 Views
The rules were unjust. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:09:59 AM 733 Views
Wow, talk about proving my point! Cannoli - 12/03/2010 11:04:34 PM 837 Views
So hang on. Dannymac - 13/03/2010 05:04:58 AM 715 Views
It's not that I'm surprised they disagree. It's that they're Wrong. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:39:30 AM 705 Views
Re: This is the problem with liberals and their crusades like gay marriage. Macharius - 12/03/2010 02:31:06 PM 751 Views
Why don't you show me where I said marriage is holy OR made a religious argument, you imbecile? Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:32:42 PM 716 Views
actually, i thought i read that it was because she wanted to wear a tux instead of a dress moondog - 12/03/2010 02:46:00 AM 741 Views
Kind of a different can of worms then Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:20:35 AM 678 Views
What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 01:24:47 AM 673 Views
Hmm. Apparently it is legal to discriminate upon the basis of gender. Imagine that. Tashmere - 14/03/2010 02:45:51 AM 652 Views
It kind of makes sense, given the highly arbitrary and stereotypical nature of gender. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 03:35:44 AM 589 Views
Re: What?! Now that is a can of worms I could see getting in a fight over. Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:01:00 AM 707 Views
I would love to argue with you Tashmere - 15/03/2010 11:03:48 AM 598 Views
It is a great case of Selective Outrage, IMHO Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:10:01 AM 747 Views
Maybe. Ghavrel - 12/03/2010 06:34:42 AM 746 Views
"ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 12:31:14 PM 672 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Macharius - 12/03/2010 01:53:39 PM 695 Views
Re: "ACLU Defends Nazi's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Isaac - 12/03/2010 03:04:43 PM 655 Views
As is often the case, there seems to be a fair amount of assumption going on here. Legolas - 12/03/2010 02:22:48 PM 651 Views
Just giving the benefit of the doubt... Isaac - 12/03/2010 02:57:23 PM 707 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:23:54 PM 681 Views
Re: "Pursuing their ideology" Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:17:25 PM 676 Views
That wasn't the impression I was under beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:23:08 PM 574 Views
Re: That wasn't the impression I was under Isaac - 13/03/2010 12:09:08 AM 723 Views
Pshhh there's a difference between "wear SOME clothes" and "wear a tux" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:40:37 AM 615 Views
Your comments are inconsistent Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:09:43 AM 669 Views
I think you're optimistic about what her chances would've been beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:13:38 PM 681 Views
For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 06:48:25 AM 661 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 01:04:33 PM 698 Views
Re: For the record... beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:08:06 PM 723 Views
Re: For the record... Isaac - 12/03/2010 08:08:42 PM 701 Views
No no, I know how you feel. I'm just disinclined to have sympathy for the school. beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:28:35 PM 574 Views
Alternatively, I have little sympathy for the school, I just don't have much for her either Isaac - 12/03/2010 11:56:08 PM 687 Views
Don't you think you're sensationalizing this just a bit? Aemon - 12/03/2010 05:42:21 AM 675 Views
Actually it is that reductionist Roland00 - 12/03/2010 01:46:23 PM 670 Views
Re: Actually it is that reductionist beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 07:25:41 PM 746 Views
I have issues with both sides, I think snoopcester - 12/03/2010 02:44:06 PM 636 Views
Regardless of "rights" invovled, I don't see why she shouldn't be able to go as she pleases. LadyLorraine - 12/03/2010 05:25:31 PM 715 Views
When I was in high school, my girlfriend and I formulated a petition so we'd be able to attend Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:55:33 PM 794 Views
Another thing I think people should remember - Lupine - 12/03/2010 07:59:43 PM 791 Views
One point though ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 08:40:32 PM 716 Views
Re: One point though Lupine - 12/03/2010 08:46:30 PM 778 Views
My point was that it was a hollow reassurance ßelals Girl - 12/03/2010 09:35:46 PM 601 Views
yah, but honestly, is a tux really going to upset anyone that much? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 04:50:08 PM 575 Views
Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother anyone else ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 06:38:03 PM 640 Views
It does nossy - 13/03/2010 07:35:39 PM 621 Views
Re: It does Isaac - 13/03/2010 07:48:35 PM 578 Views
I typically agree with you nossy - 13/03/2010 09:19:27 PM 679 Views
Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 13/03/2010 10:17:27 PM 616 Views
yah, but at this point, how much of it is the girl? LadyLorraine - 13/03/2010 10:24:57 PM 580 Views
Is she a child or an adult? IIRC she's 18 Isaac - 13/03/2010 11:33:39 PM 637 Views
No, it should not nossy - 14/03/2010 12:33:56 AM 839 Views
Re: No, it should not Isaac - 14/03/2010 01:16:33 AM 744 Views
I understood that. You explained it well. *NM* Tashmere - 14/03/2010 03:28:10 AM 290 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:49:34 AM 679 Views
Re: Following proper form shouldn't guarantee victory Isaac - 15/03/2010 02:44:17 AM 556 Views
This is definitely true beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 04:27:43 AM 710 Views
Re: This is definitely true Isaac - 15/03/2010 05:18:11 AM 953 Views
He wasn't neccessarily advocating it. He was translating what they were doing into something that Tashmere - 16/03/2010 01:37:59 AM 646 Views
I'd argue that that kind of hypocrisy is invaluable in today's world, actually. Legolas - 16/03/2010 01:46:16 AM 618 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 08:18:03 PM 640 Views
Re: It does nossy - 13/03/2010 09:30:21 PM 573 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 13/03/2010 10:11:21 PM 771 Views
Re: It does nossy - 14/03/2010 12:11:11 AM 673 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 03:42:06 AM 716 Views
Re: It does Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:47:47 AM 721 Views
Re: It does ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:09:18 AM 688 Views
You make good points. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2010 08:08:37 PM 266 Views
Ah, yes, "the rules." beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:47:31 AM 607 Views
Read my replies to Nossy and Ghavrel ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:01:29 AM 660 Views
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. Ghavrel - 14/03/2010 12:43:00 AM 559 Views
So is likening everythng back to the Civil Rights Movement ßelals Girl - 14/03/2010 04:17:54 AM 718 Views
"Dress codes exists for a reason?" beetnemesis - 15/03/2010 01:43:36 AM 625 Views
They do ßelals Girl - 15/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 734 Views
Damn. Poor liberals, all revved up with nothing to fight for. *NM* Cannoli - 12/03/2010 10:16:12 PM 441 Views
So... they were ready to fight something bad, and nothing bad happened beetnemesis - 12/03/2010 11:30:02 PM 563 Views
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