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To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events Cannoli Send a noteboard - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM

The speculation about Hilary Clinton's campaign is just due to the hypocrisy inherent in the Clintons' behavior.

As CiC, Bill oversaw the firing of a number of generals for adultery, and proceeded to commit the same offense for which his subordinates were dismissed, and then claim he had a right to lie about it, because it was private.

Hilary helped draft the impeachment articles against Nixon claiming that as president, he was directly responsible for all the wrongdoing of his successors, even when they did things he had no idea they were doing, and did not or would not have approved or ordered them to do so, such as the Watergate break-in. She helped draw up an indictment that was the complete inverse of her husband's administration's defense.

Bill gave a Medal of Freedom to a segregationist senator, on the grounds that the recipient, William Fulbright, was one of the first proponents of treating Russians like people (while their government was pointing enough weapons to wipe out the human race at the USA, and called us their Main Enemy - an embarrassing historical reality is the number of far-left Democrats were segregationists, while their ideological descendants claim all such people were conservatives who then switched parties), but his wife's partisans are now hounding anyone who dared have a conversation a generation after we began peaceful relations and have no legitimate interests in conflict.

And ultimately, the real dangers and public interest in the e-mail hacks have not to do with a man irrationally despised by liberals becoming president, but in the threat to our national security posed by foreigners possessing such capabilities or our own institutions having such vulnerabilities. Protection from such threats is ultimately the responsibility of the President of the US, and every single man to hold that office since the invention of the internet voted for Hilary Clinton. Her supporters let her down, and give credence to Trump's campaign rhetoric about needing a change in Washington. An article I saw a while ago on a very anti-Trump website actually mocked Reagan for voicing concerns about the country's vulnerability to hacking, suggesting he could not tell fiction from reality after watching "War Games".

Cannoli
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The truly amusing thing about all this. - 13/07/2017 02:32:33 PM 1110 Views
that's the thing with muddying the waters - 13/07/2017 03:20:24 PM 510 Views
The media lost the respect they commanded back then. - 13/07/2017 10:42:27 PM 418 Views
The other thing I was thinking.... - 13/07/2017 07:05:27 PM 574 Views
We know how they would react because it happened. - 13/07/2017 10:37:43 PM 472 Views
So imprison Clinton and Trump both. Just put Kasich in. I don't mind. - 14/07/2017 03:40:02 AM 506 Views
No thanks. We don't need Mr. Magoo as President. - 14/07/2017 08:46:14 PM 533 Views
And why would we imprison Trump, counselor? - 14/07/2017 08:47:34 PM 481 Views
This is your defense? "Other people would do it too?" *NM* - 14/07/2017 03:36:26 AM 233 Views
To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM 543 Views
That's at least more logically consistent. - 14/07/2017 10:42:08 AM 586 Views
I don't need a defense.... - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 430 Views
Actually it is illegal in several ways - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM 569 Views
dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 351 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 595 Views
Yes - 15/07/2017 02:34:53 PM 482 Views
Bah - 15/07/2017 04:56:08 PM 449 Views
I very well could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. - 17/07/2017 04:50:24 PM 488 Views
I'm waiting for Little Marco to send me a subpoena. - 13/07/2017 10:40:25 PM 499 Views
That's a very good point that needs further exploration - 13/07/2017 11:54:56 PM 502 Views
The New York Times still has a fold? - 14/07/2017 02:28:48 PM 462 Views
What are your opinions on Manning and Snowden? I honestly don't remember. - 14/07/2017 03:42:09 AM 460 Views
Well, the Russian government did not swear oaths as members of the US military or public servants - 14/07/2017 04:58:18 AM 547 Views
Extend the query to Wikileaks publishing the documents, then. - 14/07/2017 10:34:53 AM 536 Views
Are you sure? - 14/07/2017 02:29:51 PM 391 Views
That only works if you can claim with a straight face the GOP wouldn't care - 14/07/2017 03:32:43 PM 529 Views
You've misunderstood me - 14/07/2017 06:22:21 PM 529 Views
I don't think I have. - 15/07/2017 02:34:27 AM 466 Views
No I'm not. - 15/07/2017 03:09:04 AM 542 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 15/07/2017 05:07:42 AM 492 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 17/07/2017 02:55:54 PM 531 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 18/07/2017 01:27:06 AM 429 Views
Yes you are. - 18/07/2017 06:40:45 AM 407 Views
You made the right choice, then. *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:37:40 PM 278 Views
It's really the only way I can get into cool threads - 18/07/2017 04:03:05 PM 412 Views
The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM 561 Views
There was a great article in the NYT about that - 14/07/2017 08:29:29 PM 609 Views
There's nothing "sudden" about it for me. *NM* - 14/07/2017 08:49:38 PM 298 Views
I know. I was going to add a comment about how you must love that. - 14/07/2017 11:08:41 PM 1126 Views
I'm considering pitching to go on Fox or something. - 18/07/2017 05:41:56 AM 467 Views
Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 663 Views
Good idea. - 23/07/2017 05:50:33 PM 514 Views
You are the fly in every republican cake - 15/07/2017 01:56:24 AM 536 Views
I really don't understand 99% of your responses - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 563 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 261 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 492 Views

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