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To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events Cannoli Send a noteboard - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM

The speculation about Hilary Clinton's campaign is just due to the hypocrisy inherent in the Clintons' behavior.

As CiC, Bill oversaw the firing of a number of generals for adultery, and proceeded to commit the same offense for which his subordinates were dismissed, and then claim he had a right to lie about it, because it was private.

Hilary helped draft the impeachment articles against Nixon claiming that as president, he was directly responsible for all the wrongdoing of his successors, even when they did things he had no idea they were doing, and did not or would not have approved or ordered them to do so, such as the Watergate break-in. She helped draw up an indictment that was the complete inverse of her husband's administration's defense.

Bill gave a Medal of Freedom to a segregationist senator, on the grounds that the recipient, William Fulbright, was one of the first proponents of treating Russians like people (while their government was pointing enough weapons to wipe out the human race at the USA, and called us their Main Enemy - an embarrassing historical reality is the number of far-left Democrats were segregationists, while their ideological descendants claim all such people were conservatives who then switched parties), but his wife's partisans are now hounding anyone who dared have a conversation a generation after we began peaceful relations and have no legitimate interests in conflict.

And ultimately, the real dangers and public interest in the e-mail hacks have not to do with a man irrationally despised by liberals becoming president, but in the threat to our national security posed by foreigners possessing such capabilities or our own institutions having such vulnerabilities. Protection from such threats is ultimately the responsibility of the President of the US, and every single man to hold that office since the invention of the internet voted for Hilary Clinton. Her supporters let her down, and give credence to Trump's campaign rhetoric about needing a change in Washington. An article I saw a while ago on a very anti-Trump website actually mocked Reagan for voicing concerns about the country's vulnerability to hacking, suggesting he could not tell fiction from reality after watching "War Games".

Cannoli
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The truly amusing thing about all this. - 13/07/2017 02:32:33 PM 1101 Views
that's the thing with muddying the waters - 13/07/2017 03:20:24 PM 498 Views
The media lost the respect they commanded back then. - 13/07/2017 10:42:27 PM 406 Views
The other thing I was thinking.... - 13/07/2017 07:05:27 PM 560 Views
We know how they would react because it happened. - 13/07/2017 10:37:43 PM 462 Views
So imprison Clinton and Trump both. Just put Kasich in. I don't mind. - 14/07/2017 03:40:02 AM 493 Views
No thanks. We don't need Mr. Magoo as President. - 14/07/2017 08:46:14 PM 521 Views
And why would we imprison Trump, counselor? - 14/07/2017 08:47:34 PM 470 Views
This is your defense? "Other people would do it too?" *NM* - 14/07/2017 03:36:26 AM 229 Views
To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM 529 Views
That's at least more logically consistent. - 14/07/2017 10:42:08 AM 573 Views
I don't need a defense.... - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 418 Views
Actually it is illegal in several ways - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM 557 Views
dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 344 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 580 Views
Yes - 15/07/2017 02:34:53 PM 466 Views
Bah - 15/07/2017 04:56:08 PM 439 Views
I very well could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. - 17/07/2017 04:50:24 PM 478 Views
I'm waiting for Little Marco to send me a subpoena. - 13/07/2017 10:40:25 PM 486 Views
That's a very good point that needs further exploration - 13/07/2017 11:54:56 PM 488 Views
The New York Times still has a fold? - 14/07/2017 02:28:48 PM 450 Views
What are your opinions on Manning and Snowden? I honestly don't remember. - 14/07/2017 03:42:09 AM 449 Views
Well, the Russian government did not swear oaths as members of the US military or public servants - 14/07/2017 04:58:18 AM 535 Views
Extend the query to Wikileaks publishing the documents, then. - 14/07/2017 10:34:53 AM 522 Views
Are you sure? - 14/07/2017 02:29:51 PM 376 Views
That only works if you can claim with a straight face the GOP wouldn't care - 14/07/2017 03:32:43 PM 514 Views
You've misunderstood me - 14/07/2017 06:22:21 PM 517 Views
I don't think I have. - 15/07/2017 02:34:27 AM 452 Views
No I'm not. - 15/07/2017 03:09:04 AM 531 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 15/07/2017 05:07:42 AM 479 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 17/07/2017 02:55:54 PM 519 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 18/07/2017 01:27:06 AM 417 Views
Yes you are. - 18/07/2017 06:40:45 AM 393 Views
You made the right choice, then. *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:37:40 PM 275 Views
It's really the only way I can get into cool threads - 18/07/2017 04:03:05 PM 397 Views
The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM 546 Views
There was a great article in the NYT about that - 14/07/2017 08:29:29 PM 595 Views
There's nothing "sudden" about it for me. *NM* - 14/07/2017 08:49:38 PM 290 Views
I know. I was going to add a comment about how you must love that. - 14/07/2017 11:08:41 PM 1113 Views
I'm considering pitching to go on Fox or something. - 18/07/2017 05:41:56 AM 457 Views
Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 642 Views
Good idea. - 23/07/2017 05:50:33 PM 504 Views
You are the fly in every republican cake - 15/07/2017 01:56:24 AM 524 Views
I really don't understand 99% of your responses - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 552 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 256 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 480 Views

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