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That's at least more logically consistent. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/07/2017 10:42:08 AM

I don't know why you're attempting to tell me all the wretched behind-the-scenes dealings of Clinton and her campaign, as though I'm some sort of fan of her or of the Democrats at large.

Clinton is a toxic and unrepentant neoliberal who is roughly as terrible regarding criminal justice as her husband, and had the GOP nominee been anyone other than Trump it is very likely I would have refused to vote for her on principle. I wouldn't look too deeply into my choosing pragmatism over idealism here.

And I certainly wouldn't use either Clinton as some example of an erstwhile now-fallen paragon. They're both slimy.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The truly amusing thing about all this. LiterateDog - 13/07/2017 02:32:33 PM 1017 Views
that's the thing with muddying the waters damookster - 13/07/2017 03:20:24 PM 390 Views
The media lost the respect they commanded back then. Tom - 13/07/2017 10:42:27 PM 311 Views
The other thing I was thinking.... Jeordam - 13/07/2017 07:05:27 PM 460 Views
We know how they would react because it happened. Tom - 13/07/2017 10:37:43 PM 364 Views
So imprison Clinton and Trump both. Just put Kasich in. I don't mind. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:40:02 AM 383 Views
No thanks. We don't need Mr. Magoo as President. Tom - 14/07/2017 08:46:14 PM 423 Views
And why would we imprison Trump, counselor? Tom - 14/07/2017 08:47:34 PM 372 Views
This is your defense? "Other people would do it too?" *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:36:26 AM 187 Views
To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events Cannoli - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM 416 Views
That's at least more logically consistent. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 10:42:08 AM 459 Views
I don't need a defense.... Jeordam - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 312 Views
Actually it is illegal in several ways Roland00 - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM 460 Views
dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* damookster - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 287 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 478 Views
Yes Roland00 - 15/07/2017 02:34:53 PM 349 Views
Bah damookster - 15/07/2017 04:56:08 PM 344 Views
Question Mookie, when did you think this law was enacted and last revised? Roland00 - 16/07/2017 11:46:43 AM 387 Views
No clue. I could google, of course, but that would be cheating. *NM* damookster - 16/07/2017 03:29:52 PM 229 Views
The offered dirty was that the Clintons were taking campaign donations from a foreign national again random thoughts - 18/07/2017 08:08:23 PM 354 Views
I very well could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. Jeordam - 17/07/2017 04:50:24 PM 379 Views
Well yeah. That happened. But it's not the main point. It's a side-bonus. nossy - 13/07/2017 10:22:32 PM 299 Views
I'm waiting for Little Marco to send me a subpoena. Tom - 13/07/2017 10:40:25 PM 394 Views
That's a very good point that needs further exploration damookster - 13/07/2017 11:54:56 PM 391 Views
The New York Times still has a fold? Tom - 14/07/2017 02:28:48 PM 359 Views
I think I served you a subpoena once. . . It was a small subpoena. *NM* Roland00 - 14/07/2017 09:02:48 AM 251 Views
What are your opinions on Manning and Snowden? I honestly don't remember. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:42:09 AM 352 Views
Well, the Russian government did not swear oaths as members of the US military or public servants Cannoli - 14/07/2017 04:58:18 AM 429 Views
Extend the query to Wikileaks publishing the documents, then. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 10:34:53 AM 425 Views
Are you sure? aerocontrols - 14/07/2017 02:29:51 PM 281 Views
That only works if you can claim with a straight face the GOP wouldn't care Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:32:43 PM 412 Views
You've misunderstood me aerocontrols - 14/07/2017 06:22:21 PM 418 Views
I don't think I have. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 02:34:27 AM 358 Views
No I'm not. aerocontrols - 15/07/2017 03:09:04 AM 432 Views
Re: No I'm not. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 05:07:42 AM 379 Views
Re: No I'm not. aerocontrols - 17/07/2017 02:55:54 PM 424 Views
Re: No I'm not. Ghavrel - 18/07/2017 01:27:06 AM 324 Views
Yes you are. Tom - 18/07/2017 06:40:45 AM 299 Views
You made the right choice, then. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2017 03:37:40 PM 234 Views
It's really the only way I can get into cool threads aerocontrols - 18/07/2017 04:03:05 PM 298 Views
The Democrats definitely won in regards to changing the conversation. The Shrike - 14/07/2017 06:06:58 PM 427 Views
Pay no attention to that CIA agent behind the voting curtain (in X country) Tom - 18/07/2017 06:43:38 AM 372 Views
When the media is the cornerstone of your political base it is easy to control the tone random thoughts - 19/07/2017 01:22:51 PM 419 Views
The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. Legolas - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM 447 Views
There was a great article in the NYT about that The Shrike - 14/07/2017 08:29:29 PM 473 Views
There's nothing "sudden" about it for me. *NM* Tom - 14/07/2017 08:49:38 PM 230 Views
I know. I was going to add a comment about how you must love that. Legolas - 14/07/2017 11:08:41 PM 1011 Views
I'm considering pitching to go on Fox or something. Tom - 18/07/2017 05:41:56 AM 344 Views
Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia aerocontrols - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 514 Views
Good idea. Legolas - 23/07/2017 05:50:33 PM 413 Views
You are the fly in every republican cake Roland00 - 15/07/2017 01:56:24 AM 409 Views
I really don't understand 99% of your responses Tom - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 453 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* Roland00 - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 216 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way random thoughts - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 395 Views
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