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Actually it is illegal in several ways Roland00 Send a noteboard - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM

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It wasn't illegal. He could have met with them all he wanted. Meeting with someone to get dirt on a candidate is as old as the Republic itself.

~Jeordam


https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illegal

11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).

Note there are several other laws he might have violated to, but the campaign finance laws are pretty much clear cut, if its a foreign national you are not allowed to seek a contribution of anything of value.

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You may call this a stupid law, you may say it violates the 1st amendment, and so on, but it is the law.


Meeting with someone to get dirt on a candidate is as old as the Republic itself.

This is true though, foreign nationals getting involved with US elections has happened ever since the 2nd election with John Adams and may have cost Jefferson the election.

http://www.history.com/news/that-time-a-foreign-government-interfered-in-a-u-s-presidential-election-in-1796

Debating the ethics of what Donald Trump Jr did is very different than debating the legality of what Donald Trump Jr did.

(Also different is debating the morality of what Donald Trump Jr did.)

Note it is not just Donald Trump Jr, but also Paul Manafort (who should know better for he would be familiar with that part of campaign finance law, and Jared Kushner.


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Carry on you two, just pointing out the legal law that is involved since Jeo (wrongly) stated no law that was broken.

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To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events Cannoli - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM 598 Views
That's at least more logically consistent. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 10:42:08 AM 637 Views
I don't need a defense.... Jeordam - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 476 Views
Actually it is illegal in several ways Roland00 - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM 614 Views
dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* damookster - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 375 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 652 Views
Yes Roland00 - 15/07/2017 02:34:53 PM 535 Views
Bah damookster - 15/07/2017 04:56:08 PM 493 Views
Question Mookie, when did you think this law was enacted and last revised? Roland00 - 16/07/2017 11:46:43 AM 544 Views
No clue. I could google, of course, but that would be cheating. *NM* damookster - 16/07/2017 03:29:52 PM 300 Views
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I very well could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. Jeordam - 17/07/2017 04:50:24 PM 541 Views
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There was a great article in the NYT about that The Shrike - 14/07/2017 08:29:29 PM 672 Views
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Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia aerocontrols - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 718 Views
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I really don't understand 99% of your responses Tom - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 604 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* Roland00 - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 295 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way random thoughts - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 538 Views
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