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I didn't think I'd see you, of all people, using this particular argument. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 06/08/2018 11:48:17 PM


I really really don't get America's pride in it's "men in blue" who are such panzies that they even shoot at 10 year old kids because they think their lives are threatened. And then demand respect for putting their life on the line. These morons should either get with the training and improve themselves, or the police forces should cut ties with them when they don't and end up killing innocents. The current situation is truly awful.

I don't understand many WoT readers' pride in "the innkeeper's daughter" who murdered two helpless women, subjecting them to a particularly horrific death by burning them alive, during an incident many readers, including Egwene herself, celebrate as an awesome moment of badassery.

Unlike Egwene, cops are in situations where people can and do attempt to kill them, as a matter of routine. Unlike Egwene, their weapons cannot disarm, incapacitate and hold securely an adversary just as easily as killing them. Egwene could bind a woman in flows of Air as easily as set her aflame with flows of Fire (more easily, actually, as she herself cites her greater skill with Air than Fire), but instead, lashes out and kills them, probably for spite or to sate her series-long predilection for violence, to which she is ready to turn at the drop of a hat, unless the savior of humanity asks her to do so, of course. A few years ago we had an extensive argument on the WoTMB where you vehemently defended her and refused to acknowledge the slightest fault whatsoever in her murder of two helpless women.

Cops are under real pressure and real stress, and receives less combat training than our even-more celebrated soldiers, who perpetuated disgraceful massacres in Vietnam. They are not in black and white fantasy scenarios with superhuman capacity to make distinctions between friend and foe. But despite her claiming powers which necessitate a much higher moral standard, you keep defending Egwene's lapses of judgment as perfectly understandable for an ordinary human being. Cops are not supposed to be superhuman action heroes, they are supposed to civilians, which is the whole point, in order to preserve their fellow citizens' freedom against military rule.

I also don't know where you get this idea that "America" is proud of cops. They are almost universally antagonistic characters in movies. Even in movies where the hero is a cop, he is a minority or outlier, who has to buck the whole establishment. Except for Die Hard 3, I cannot think of a single movie or TV show which has cops, but none of whom are antagonistic. This is a country whose care of its military veterans is so shitty that reforming the system was one of the few bipartisan issues of the last presidential campaign, that spat on its soliders coming home from Vietnam, and yet, explicitly honors soldiers in the exact same stadiums where millionaire athletes defy requests to honor the flag and country by kneeling against the police.

To the extent that there is pride in the police, it is backlash against the vile BLM or leftover from 9-11, when a few hundred police officers died because they entered a collapsing skyscraper in an attempt to rescue occupants. That's basically the extreme we need to go to in the US for cops to be really honored or popular.

Cannoli
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