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Yeah, you really misunderstand me, apparently aerocontrols Send a noteboard - 07/08/2018 08:53:56 PM

and I don't feel like it's my fault. I agree with BLM like 95% and I think they're (and you!) making a tactical mistake of trying to push me away (and successfully pushing away others, as evidenced by polling data) and all you want to do is argue about the 5% and mischaracterize my beliefs about the 95%.



View original postYes, you did. Not that there was a constitutional amendment. But if BLM arguing for justice for "really bad dudes" makes it hard for you to support criminal justice reform, you are saying that criminal justice for "really bad dudes" doesn't matter.

It's fascinating how you read their positions and behaviors with such understanding and can come away from my initial post believing I hold the exact opposite stance that I actually hold. Did you miss my final paragraph? Was it confusing? Did I say they drove me to oppose even a single reform I believed in before they existed? Maybe in the abstract you think BLM and criminal justice reform are the same thing, but concretely you have to know they're not, right?



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Oh I'm crying a river of tears over this.

I guess you win the drama award?


View original postBut we don't, or didn't, have such a broad definition of "when necessary", and we certainly don't think shooting people because of their skin color is acceptable. Yet, since "really bad dudes" who are black get shot more often than "really bad dudes" who are white, we have this situation where the guns we give cops that they can use in the defense of their lives, or to stop worse bloodshed, is used to murder unarmed men, and then the most often badly trained, horrible excuses for cops get to call this "self defense", because, you see, they genuinely thought their life was threatened.

So you still don't believe me, I guess. Because this mostly just looks like you repeating the first sentence of my final paragraph back at me, and pretending that you're telling me something I don't already know or care about.


View original postThen you don't need to read Toxoplasma or Rage, or anything else, to know that whoever BLM holds up as a cause for concern, the fact is there is way too many unarmed men being killed by cops.

No I didn't. I needed to read it to understand why BLM takes a large role in a wide-ranging argument over a shooting in Ferguson and stuff like Eric Garner's killing is barely on the radar. It was also helpful to me to understand why you seem to be so upset with me and apparently won't stop looking for cracks in my support for something you claim to care about despite my assertions that I also care about it.



View original postI'm not sure you're thinking this argument of yours through. So you claim to have the right view of a morally awful situation. But because you perceive others with a similar position as being too angry, too insistent... whatever, you find yourself losing support for the view you yourself think is correct. Uhh.. kudos?

I have a view I think is correct. I didn't say I was losing support for my view. I said I can't support them, and your form of argument turns me off to you, which you say you don't care about, except you can't stop arguing over it. I still hold the same views as before.

You think I've changed or moderated my views, and what I'm saying is that my views remain unchanged, despite the objections I've expressed. I really don't know how to discuss this with you, when you so consistently misrepresent what I've written.

Hollywood has the best moral compass, because it has compassion.
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What a well reasoned argument random thoughts - 08/08/2018 07:26:36 PM 324 Views
I didn't think I'd see you, of all people, using this particular argument. Cannoli - 06/08/2018 11:48:17 PM 340 Views
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They were not innocents! fionwe1987 - 07/08/2018 04:25:54 PM 331 Views
Innocent is irrelevant. Disarmed is the pertinent qualifier. Cannoli - 08/08/2018 01:36:01 AM 314 Views
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Isn't this pretty much par for the course, from the left? TyrReborn - 08/08/2018 05:21:45 AM 284 Views
Not to mention this whole issue involves unequal generalizations. Cannoli - 08/08/2018 08:01:45 AM 325 Views
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Re: Interesting. I'd like your input. Cannoli - 06/08/2018 11:27:43 PM 346 Views
Emmett Till tried to mug an undercover cop now??? Wow fionwe1987 - 07/08/2018 06:28:36 AM 284 Views
I notice you have absolutely nothing in response aside from my mixing up Edmund Perry & Emmet Till Cannoli - 07/08/2018 11:12:26 PM 302 Views
BLM almost lost me to the policing reform cause aerocontrols - 07/08/2018 05:01:52 PM 298 Views
Is the argument that "really bad dudes" don't deserve civil rights protections? fionwe1987 - 07/08/2018 05:11:53 PM 321 Views
no damookster - 07/08/2018 05:50:59 PM 293 Views
Preaching to the choir, man. Or maybe b!tching at the choir? aerocontrols - 07/08/2018 05:57:11 PM 288 Views
well said *NM* damookster - 07/08/2018 06:27:58 PM 136 Views
Re: Preaching to the choir, man. Or maybe b!tching at the choir? fionwe1987 - 07/08/2018 08:00:13 PM 286 Views
More black criminals are shot per capita. More whites are shot in total. damookster - 07/08/2018 08:20:12 PM 404 Views
Correct. fionwe1987 - 07/08/2018 09:38:56 PM 274 Views
Yeah, you really misunderstand me, apparently aerocontrols - 07/08/2018 08:53:56 PM 273 Views
Doesn't seem that way to me fionwe1987 - 07/08/2018 10:24:40 PM 303 Views
Why don't you prove that someone in the last thirty years was shot by cops ONLY for skin color? Cannoli - 08/08/2018 02:36:50 AM 272 Views
I agree with most of this. Cannoli - 08/08/2018 02:00:18 AM 297 Views
I don't know if I have time to respond to all of that aerocontrols - 08/08/2018 08:54:37 PM 281 Views
I dont agree with the camera footage being released random thoughts - 08/08/2018 07:36:29 PM 301 Views
The problem with the camera footage not being released damookster - 08/08/2018 07:45:44 PM 286 Views
I once argued the same, for a different reason aerocontrols - 08/08/2018 08:45:26 PM 283 Views
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