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Re: Preaching to the choir, man. Or maybe b!tching at the choir? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/08/2018 08:00:13 PM

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No. Did I make that argument?

Yes, you did. Not that there was a constitutional amendment. But if BLM arguing for justice for "really bad dudes" makes it hard for you to support criminal justice reform, you are saying that criminal justice for "really bad dudes" doesn't matter.


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This is exactly the sort of thing that I'm saying turns me off.

Oh I'm crying a river of tears over this.


I'm not even sure how to respond to it, assuming you're a person of good will who is trying to convince me and not just performing for an audience, so I will say this. We give police officers service weapons to defend themselves and the public, and expect those weapons to be used when necessary, almost without exception before the criminals are tried. Clearly we agree that police officers should be punished when they abuse their authority (didn't I say so in my original post?!?) but somehow that's not enough for you. Whatever.

But we don't, or didn't, have such a broad definition of "when necessary", and we certainly don't think shooting people because of their skin color is acceptable. Yet, since "really bad dudes" who are black get shot more often than "really bad dudes" who are white, we have this situation where the guns we give cops that they can use in the defense of their lives, or to stop worse bloodshed, is used to murder unarmed men, and then the most often badly trained, horrible excuses for cops get to call this "self defense", because, you see, they genuinely thought their life was threatened.



I guess you think you're telling me something here, but I already know these facts. Maybe you don't know that Reason magazine and Radley Balko have been on this beat for decades?

Then you don't need to read Toxoplasma or Rage, or anything else, to know that whoever BLM holds up as a cause for concern, the fact is there is way too many unarmed men being killed by cops.


So anyway, if anyone was wondering what I was talking about when I say that people I agree with are seemingly attempting to push me away from their position instead of convince me to agree with it more strongly, this post is exactly what I meant.

I'm not sure you're thinking this argument of yours through. So you claim to have the right view of a morally awful situation. But because you perceive others with a similar position as being too angry, too insistent... whatever, you find yourself losing support for the view you yourself think is correct. Uhh.. kudos?

The issue with this argument is that you think that it is ok that your support for something right is dictated by the tone with which others support it. The truth is, you're never going to get a uniformly "acceptable" way to phrase an issue and discuss it. Supporters and opponents to any issue always will have different approaches, some not palatable to others with the same view.

If you want to feel you've done your best, the idea isn't to pat your back for reading an article that shows how the internet helps lay bare these differences and promotes the most contentious of approaches. It is to make sure that your view is fueled by facts and logic, not by rage against the liberal this or the alt-right that which is taking your position and making it look not exactly what you'd wish it to look like.


Can I suggest you google and read "Toxoplasma of Rage", if you haven't already?

Read it.

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