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I agree with most of this. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 08/08/2018 02:00:18 AM

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I read a lot of Reason.com and used to be a regular reader of Radley Balko back when he had his own blog and between that material and stuff like Three Felonies A Day I'm pretty much on board with the idea

I'm not familiar with the specific media you cite (though you might be interested to know that several years before BLM became a thing, the John Birch Society published a book opposing the militarization of the police), but I agree 100%
that extensive laws are encroaching on our freedoms.

I support the principle of jury nullification, though with the caveat that it has been badly used by both black juries to let off blatantly guilty perpetrators from the neighborhood, AND historically by whites to protect white perpetrators against black victims.

OTOH, the principle also remains that an individual should be tried in the jurisdiction in which he is accused of committing the crime. This was made into law in the Constitution specifically because colonists were being brought back to England for trials, and that was happening as a workaround against jury nullification. Clearly the Founding Fathers understood that, and still chose to err on the side of jurisdiction.

I am also opposed to asset forfeiture, and especially support local bans on it. I freely admit there is a lot of sloppiness in police handling of issues. I find the legal presumption of good faith on their parts suspicious at best, and I am adamantly opposed to all public service unions for ANY government service job down through the public schools. I am opposed to the war on drugs as such and find the outlawing of drugs Constitutionally suspect.



I think we put people in jail to readily,
Not sure about that. I think its the best civil punishment, and various alternatives involving rehabilitation I find to be more egregious violations of freedom of conscience and choice as well as the principle underlying the prohibition of "unusual punishment".
we leave them in prison for too long,

Probably.
we continue to punish too much once a prisoner has served their time

Absolutely. I don't know how Megan's Law is still on the books. Well, actually, I supposed it's because of general stupidity conflating principles with morals and support for a principle with moral approval of those to whom the principle applies.
and we have too many laws that obviously should be repealed...
Absolutely.
But BLM picks a lot of cases that are not clear-cut and argues this or that really bad dude was wronged by police and I want to step off the train. Why can't they keep focused on 'not really bad dudes' and how can I support them when they stick up for some guy who gets shot by cops immediately after committing strong-arm robbery?

Then I read something like "The Toxoplasma of Rage" and it all makes sense again. Of course BLM publicizes loopy cases - the structure of our media landscape practically demands it. There's a reason Radley Balko is relegated to some obscure media blog and BLM gets coverage whenever they want it - he's not willing to go to bad for really bad dudes because he isn't willing to be wrong when it turns out they're lying about how the police treated them.

Also agreed.
So I will keep believing that police are too aggressive, that they abuse authority through asset forfeiture, that they can usually get away with murder, that they close ranks to lie and protect each other when their abuses come to light, and that they should always be wearing a body camera that is 'on' and that the footage should not be withheld from the public, etc.
I think there should be some sort of reasonable standard of privacy or admissibility regarding things not specifically pertaining to the performance of their duties. These are not military sentries, who are supposed to be "on" at all times, nor should they be subject to military-like levels of discipline, which I suspect are not particularly conducive to mental health or interacting with a civilian public. I REALLY don't like the militarization of the police for many of the reasons alluded to above.

That said, with the technology so widely available, officers with nothing to hide should be embracing it. If they can be trained to call out the registration of every car they approach on foot, they can be trained to switch on their body cameras at the onset of a confrontation or even casual encounter.


And BLM will continue to be an organization that I don't support, even though I probably agree with most reforms they are pursuing.
In my admittedly limited (by my disinterest in pursuit of) knowledge of BLM, I don't really see them pursuing reforms so much as creating a system of support and encouragment for retaliation. Back during the Ferguson incident or perhaps another one, I noted that I had recently argued against the militarization of police, only for Ferguson to give the cause a bad name, by creating situations in which the police appear to be under threat and in need for the protection of military equipment.



Finally, I do not "see what they did there" and would appreciate an explanation.
I think it was Tupac, or maybe some other rapper, who came up with it, but the title of the movie is an acronym - T.H.U.G.
Cannoli
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