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Re: So here's a question.... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 24/09/2018 10:39:30 PM

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Are we making the base assumption that she is to believed?

No, we are saying she isn't to be dismissed. That her accusations are grave, and on the face of it, credible, since she has spoken of it years before. It warrants an investigation. I don't know anyone who is asking for Kavanaugh to be convicted of rape just because of the allegation.


I'm talking about the first individual. If we are saying "Yes" to that on her word alone, then we are then letting something that someone did (and was not prosecuted for) 36 years in the past, when they were in High School, keep them from a promotion in their job?

Are we saying it is okay to attempt rape at 17? What kind of message is that to teenagers? And exactly what kind of standard is that for a Supreme Court judge?

Further, he lied about it now, if she's right. How is that not a problem?


How much have you changed in the last 36 years? How much have you accomplished since you became an adult? Now you are judging him and saying that all of that is invalid?

Did he apologize? Did he get punished for his crime, and then come to rebuild his life?


That's a tough place to stand, considering that no one would qualify for anything.

Interesting. What are your thoughts on felon disenfranchisement?


One person sees this alleged activity as the worse, while I see something else (say getting drunk, crashing you car, and leaving a woman to die) as worse. Along the same lines, I see cheating on your spouse and lying about it under oath as that much worse. Yet the levels of "outrage" are no where near the same.

Leaving someone to die, I can see, but how is cheating on your wife worse than attempted rape?


On the other hand, if we are not going to take her allegations as fact, and instead are going to wait for testimony, then this sets a very bad precedent in the fact that we are now giving 36 year old, unsubstantiated allegations a stage and forum for discussion....

And why is that? Women often don't come forward at all, because they are disbelieved. What message do we send by saying we don't care, as a society?


As for the other accusers (which the more I read about it are even more unsubstantiated than the original), it seems more like a political smear. The timing of the entire thing. All of it seems designed by the Democrats as "Win in any way possible. Damn the truth if need be. Win."

If you read the New Yorker article, you would know that Ramriez didn't contact them. Classmates of both her and Kavanaugh were discussing the incident on email, and someone talked to the press. This happened in July, before Dr. Blasey came forward. Ramirez herself was reluctant to, especially after seeing the shitshow last week, and only decided to after a lot of soul searching on whether she could keep quiet now. This seems to aid her credibility, not diminish it.

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