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Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM
But now I'm starting to think that their recent roles have given them a little more freedom of thought, and they'll be more candid with Egwene than previously. Elayne has already made some pretty significant moves regarding the Windfinders, Kin and BA which Egwene would disagree with, and Rand's parting words to Nynaeve will hopefully be remembered.


I agree both Nyneave and Elayne have grown and will candidly present their views and will make moves that Egwene doesn't agree with. Egwene has asked for and needs the candid views of Nyneave and Elayne. I think both Nyn and Elayne will support Egwene. I don't think the two Queens (Nyneave is Queen of Malkier) will backstab Egwene, actively try to oppose Egwene, or take any of the negative power grabbing steps Romanda and Lelaine are taking. Thats what I mean by being loyal. Even when they disagree with Egwene they won't foment discord. It is hard for Romanda and Lelaine to gather support if Nyn and Elayne are actively supporting Egwene.

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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2538 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1734 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1214 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1489 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1444 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1338 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 742 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1482 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1490 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1306 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1369 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1371 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1403 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1448 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 1186 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1385 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1295 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 761 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1304 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1429 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1235 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1479 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1195 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1363 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1316 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1376 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1859 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1418 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1285 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1272 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1374 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1745 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1687 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1485 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1356 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 725 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1406 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1233 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1222 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 1154 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1248 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 656 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1232 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1351 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1206 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1245 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1315 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1335 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1415 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1324 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1228 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1251 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1406 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1295 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1287 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1318 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1224 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1284 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1306 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1195 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1266 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1275 Views
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